Overall Experience at Timberline Mountain
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jpetraiuolo
29 days ago (edited 29 days ago)
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
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There is something so special and serine about skiing. Not just the time spent on ski lifts and screaming down the mountain but the holistic experience. When I think about going skiing I imagine my favorite ski trips. Cruising down I-70 between Denver international Airport and the resorts. The views of the Rockies, the gradual change in elevation (and snow!) until you finally see the first snow capped resorts. It feels like being transported to a completely different world compared to our above freezing hometowns. The journey to the resorts as well as the experience on and off the mountain is the itch I am always trying to scratch. 

Skiing in the mid-Atlantic can be fun especially when we get some snow storms. However, I ski locally in attempt to fulfill that desire to return to the famous resorts of the west and northeast. Growing up in Cleveland I did most of my “little league” skiing at Holiday Valley in western New York. Now that I live in Arlington I have been trying to find my spot. I’ve tried 7S, Liberty, and Whitetail. They all have the same issues as Holiday Valley. They hardly scratch that itch to make it back to the big resorts. 

Today, I drove out to the Canaan Valley for the first time, and in less than 3 hours I made it to Timberline Mountain. The trip started from the snowless, sea level high rises of Arlington, Virginia. As I cruised down 66 I started to see more remains of the snowstorm from last Wednesday (basically a dusting at this point). Within about 20 miles of 81 S the snow really starts to pickup. The Blue Ridge mountains were lightly covered in snow, and it was starting to feel like winter. After crossing the state line into WV the snow levels started increasing one inch at a time. The views blew me away an were often wheel jerking. There is definitely a reason they are the WVU Mountaineers (some of the peaks were huge). The breathtaking snow covered mountains were really getting me pumped up to ski. About 30 minutes from the resort the level of snow drastically grew, every tree was frosted and I really regretted not having 4 wheel drive. It truly felt like I was driving to a ski trip. 



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Compared to mid Atlantic resorts i’ve experienced, this felt the most “real”. It took some time to get down the mountain. The black diamonds were steep enough to slow me down, the blues were fun cruisers, and the views in the horizon were spectacular. The terrain was significantly better than the PA resorts I’d skied in the past. It was more challenging, had better snow, and a better overall experience. I cannot wait for this place to open more terrain this year! 

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Now I’m not saying to expect a big time ski trip heading to Davis, WV. It is no Rocky Mountain resort but it gave me that full skiing experience. It blew my expectations out of the water. Going from DC to Canaan Valley brings you up 4,000 ft in a few hours, and definitely feels like being in a slightly different world. Today, I had a much more satisfying scratch for my itch to ski (The pictures do no justice!).

wgo
29 days ago
Member since 02/10/2004 🔗
1,306 posts

Great post! It inspired me to look up some old posts that I had written. Here's a quote from Jan 2011:

"Anyway, it was really a great, great day. It's just so cool on the drive out seeing each valley get snowier and snowier until you finally reach THE Valley and find a winter paradise. It amazed me the first time I did the drive 7 years ago and it amazes me still every time I go out there."

I cannot wait to get back out to TL and experience this again!


jpetraiuolo
29 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts

Thanks Wgo! It was awesome and I am so happy someone else also had the same experience as me. I will be going back every chance I get!

Gibou Skier
29 days ago
Member since 12/9/2019 🔗
10 posts
Jpetraiuolo - thanks for the great trip report. Did you do an out and back from NoVa in one day? I’ve done one- and two-nighters to CV/Davis in the past but would rather not stay somewhere overnight in the time of Covid. I’m curious to hear more about the logistics of a Timberline day trip from NoVa (if that’s what you did). Also curious how the physical distancing was at Timberline.
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jpetraiuolo
29 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts

Hi Gibou,

I left my apartment at about 7:30 am and got to TM around 10:15am. I skied until 1:00pm and then drive home. Easily could have stayed longer but I wanted to get back before 5:00pm. Absolutely a very doable day trip! 

jpetraiuolo
29 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts
Distancing wasn’t bad. People were all wearing masks in line. They started the day making sure no strangers rode the lifts together but then starting asking 2 singles at a if they we’re comfortable to go together. The 6 seater is plenty big for two singles to sit on either end. I avoided the lodge so no report there. Trails were wide open no one close to each other.
wfyurasko - DCSki Supporter
29 days ago (edited 29 days ago)
Member since 07/27/2014 🔗
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I saw more of Canaan Valley in this post than the time I visited it! It was snowing a bit which helped out a lot as Timberline was poorly run back then.

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I know the feeling you describe, watching the snow pile up as you get closer to the ski area. Even if it's on I-81 as you head into the anthracite plateau en route to the Poconos.

I'm looking forward to getting back to Timberline sometime, perhaps next year.

Vermont
29 days ago
Member since 12/26/2019 🔗
174 posts
Sweet post and pictures jp! 
I remember my 1st and only time heading up there stayed at girlfriends cabin.
the drive is amazing the snow was perfect! we skied Canaan Valley but I remembered that timberline seemed the better option and I am hoping to check it out this season!
makes sense that an independent ski area wouldn’t be too packed this season with so many going for the mega pass places.
 Watching the snow increase and the temps decrease is a favorite part of going to Vermont and the “Valley” Wv is damn close
good to see their easy options for lift tickets and I see they are good for next season so buying multi day passes really makes sense 
looking forward to heading into the trees there as well 
great to hear how easy the trip is these days 
JimK - DCSki Columnist
29 days ago (edited 29 days ago)
Member since 01/14/2004 🔗
2,670 posts

Thanks for the report JP.  Looks great!  How were the lift lines by 1PM on a Saturday?  How full was the parking lot?  Were there a ton of people outside milling around the base of the lifts?

I hope to get out to TM for a daytrip soon too.  I've done numerous local daytrips over the decades involving drives of ~3 hours each way to ski at places like CV/Timberline, Blue Knob, Seven Springs, Wisp, and Wintergreen (2.5).  It makes for a long day, but can be very fun and satisfying.  Probably not something you want to do every week, all winter because the drive time is about equal to the slope time.  It's also quite a commitment in time and effort, so not something you'd want to undertake if the destination is going to overly clogged up with big crowds and long lift lines due to popularity and/or covid restrictions.

I don't know what weekends will be like, but I find it hard to believe that once we get past the Christmas Holidays that regular weekdays will be overly crowded at any mid-Atlantic ski area.  But who knows, this is not a normal time and all those kids doing virtual schooling may talk their parents into taking them skiing on Mondays or Fridays when normally resorts would be empty??

jpetraiuolo
29 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts

Vermont/Jim K,

Thanks for the replies! It definitely makes you feel like you are heading to big time resorts! 

As for lift lines, they did back up at times (maybe a 15 groups backed up on each side). It was tough because they are trying to keep people separate based off their group. Therefore the 6 person lift did not add much efficiency. Once they started allowing groups of singles to ride together it sped up. 

The parking lot still had openings at 10:15 but when I left at 1:00 it was full. They had to get creative with additional spaces. Interested to see what they do in the future!

Denis - DCSki Supporter
29 days ago
Member since 07/12/2004 🔗
2,184 posts

wfyurasko wrote:

I saw more of Canaan Valley in this post than the time I visited it! It was snowing a bit which helped out a lot as Timberline was 

Your post linked above is a great example of how the old Timberline was run.  There were many lovers and many haters of the old Timberline.  Often they resided in the same individuals.  I am delighted by what I’ve heard about the Perfect management so far.  Still, it is a cruel irony to be faced with this Covid season after making such an investment.  I wish them all the luck in the world weathering the situation until 21-22.

dwm8a
28 days ago
Member since 02/23/2017 🔗
49 posts
I have an Ikon pass, which ties me to Snowshoe. It’s seemingly becoming less and less likely that I will make a trip out west this year, which makes rolling over the Ikon to next year look like the right move. If I want to get any turns in at all this year, it’s looking like it will have to be local. This thread makes me think Timberline is the right place to go. I’ve done day trips from DC to Snowshoe several times (this is a bit crazy and not for the faint of heart) - knowing a daytrip to T-line shaves off 3 hours of driving compared to Snowshoe makes it seem quite do-able. Would love to read more Timberline reviews! 
Dafixison
27 days ago (edited 27 days ago)
Member since 01/30/2020 🔗
14 posts

Day trips to Snowshoe from the DC area are indeed cringeworthy; done it a few time when I was a single, but it was a tough try with the family in tow last year.

I am also interested in reading more Timberline reviews as we have never skied there before.  

Talked to the nice folks at Timberline today, and I am a little surprise to hear that they don't have a capacity limit similar to Snowshoe.

JimK - DCSki Columnist
27 days ago (edited 27 days ago)
Member since 01/14/2004 🔗
2,670 posts

Usually when I visit Canaan Valley I ski both ski areas TM and CVR.  Whitegrass Nordic Center is also a nice place.  The three ski areas are very close together and the mid-winter valley environment has the nearest thing to a true alpine feeling that you can find the mid-Atlantic.

trip reports:

2016:  https://www.dcski.com/articles/1490

2014: dcski.com

2009: dcski.com

2006: dcski.com

Dafixison wrote:

Day trips to Snowshoe from the DC area are indeed cringeworthy; done it a few time when I was a single, but it was a tough try with the family in tow last year.

I am also interested in reading more Timberline reviews as we have never skied there before.  

Talked to the nice folks at Timberline today, and I am a little surprise to hear that they don't have a capacity limit similar to Snowshoe.

Dafixison
27 days ago (edited 27 days ago)
Member since 01/30/2020 🔗
14 posts
Thank you JimK for the archived reports.  Social gathering sounds so nostalgic.  Hopefully, we all can enjoy that wonderful aspect of skiing again soon.
jpetraiuolo
27 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts

I think they just haven’t reached a very high capacity yet. Hopefully if stays that way! That being said you should both give it a try. So much fun and an easy day trip! 

Dafixison wrote:

Day trips to Snowshoe from the DC area are indeed cringeworthy; done it a few time when I was a single, but it was a tough try with the family in tow last year.

I am also interested in reading more Timberline reviews as we have never skied there before.  

Talked to the nice folks at Timberline today, and I am a little surprise to hear that they don't have a capacity limit similar to Snowshoe.

 

ksampson3
27 days ago
Member since 01/9/2012 🔗
60 posts
Any word when new terrain is going to open? I'm heading there tomorrow.   It seems kind of silly to wait until Xmas seeing how there is plenty of coverage right now.
jpetraiuolo
27 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts
They said by Christmas they want to open more. That was vis their Facebook yesterday!
Vermont
27 days ago (edited 27 days ago)
Member since 12/26/2019 🔗
174 posts

That timberline doesn’t need a reservation system shouldn’t be a suprise, as I mentioned in beginning of the summer stick to the independents this season when another was preaching for the mega passes and talking for doug fish etc ,now with so many people locked into mega passes I look forward to checking out Timberline myself once they have enough snow to ski the woods

Reisen
27 days ago
Member since 01/25/2005 🔗
357 posts

ksampson3 wrote:

Any word when new terrain is going to open? I'm heading there tomorrow.   It seems kind of silly to wait until Xmas seeing how there is plenty of coverage right now.

Is it just me, or have they not updated their snow report in days?  Also, their base coverage looks way too low (5-15”), which I have to believe is outdated. Finally, I can no longer get their webcam to load.  

mdr227
27 days ago
Member since 01/11/2016 🔗
129 posts

Timberline for years was my favorite resort in the mid-Atlantic area.   Great terrain for all levels (Salamander a great run for beginners giving them the full mountain experience, three top to bottom blue runs, a couple double blacks and a couple of black runs from the top plus the glades when natural snowfall was present) and very accessible from DC (even before the corridor H opened which has made it even easier to get to).   Great for a day trip and also for staying overnight with many lodging choices very close to the slopes at a reasonable price.    The lodge was never anything great and parking could get tough on weekends, but the biggest drawback was always the very slow and low capacity lifts to the top.    Even with those issues still loved going there until the last five years or so when the management of it became awful.    

Now that Perfect North owns and operates Timberline it will become a great resort again (already has it seems) with the six person high speed lift to the top cutting ride times by 6 minutes or more and also a new four person lift to mid-mountain with access to a variety of beginner and intermediate terrain.   The lodge has been totally renovated and nearly doubled in size and snowmaking has been dramatically improved.   Can't wait to go there this year, but of course we won't be able to experience everything with the covid restrictions like having a nice lunch in the lodge.   

If you do stay for a few days what is great about the valley is having Canaan Valley just down the road so you can do a couple of days at Timberline and one or two at Canaan Valley (where they also have tubing).    Plus there is the cross country skiing nearby and the sledding hill and conveyor lift at Blackwater Falls State Park.    

Dafixison
27 days ago
Member since 01/30/2020 🔗
14 posts

I am planning to take the kids to Timberline tomorrow as well, so I just called them for an update snow report and opened trails.  Apparently, they got  lots of snow (unspecified amount) last night and their patrols are out assessing the trail conditions this morning in hope of opening new trails today.

The nice lady seems to be unaware of the outdated snow report and non-transmitting webcam issue.  She assures me that the snow report and trail status will be updated later this morning.

Hoping for more opened trails!

dwm8a
27 days ago
Member since 02/23/2017 🔗
49 posts
Can anyone give tips on parking? I’ve driven by Timberline in the summer and the parking lot looked tiny. I assume this means we should try to arrive by 9am if possible. Is there a satellite lot? 
wgo
27 days ago
Member since 02/10/2004 🔗
1,306 posts
Back in the old days there was not a satellite lot. I haven't heard anything about the new owners setting one up yet. Any on site reports?
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Denvern61
27 days ago
Member since 11/11/2020 🔗
4 posts

Just a few tips......I take it you b booting up at you car. 

  1. Arrive 8:00 - 830, maybe earlier on the busy days.  You're not the only one looking for parking. Always takes me longer to boot up then I think. 
  2. Park behind the lifts. Climb the snow bank and boom...you b at the lift lines. Haven't skied this yr,so don't know the complete new layout....but this should still work. 
  3. Small parking lot in front of lodge. Just be mindful of location near the road...have been boxed in a few times. 
  4. Hotel parking lot. Bit of a walk, especially if you are booted up
  5. Large parking lot. Just never a big fan of that location. 
  6. No satellite parking for yrs. 

That being said,. Parking areas are all close to the mtn. I've hiked further just to catch satellite shuttles to some of the big mtns

Hope this helps

Rickh
27 days ago
Member since 12/2/2004 🔗
132 posts

A few comments from this mornings posts.

1) base received about 6" over night, summit 10-12" from what I've been told.

2) They opened additional terrain in the last hour or so, but still have not opened The Drop, Almost Heaven or others from the top. The two mentioned they have been getting ready this past week.

3) Web Cam has been down for days.

4) Snow report needs to be kept up to date, it's marketing if nothing else. When you have Snowshoe advertising a 45" base, skiers will think twice. I'm a season pass holder so Timberline is my spot. The conditions have been VERY good the last two weekends.

5) Parking hasn't change, from what I've seen the large lot next to the hotel has not filled this season.

6) Parking next to the hotel and walking up the bank is the thing to do. Both lifts are right there.

7) Best guess, Off the wall, Thunderstruck, and Twister will be the only slopes not open by this Saturday.

Here's to a new and unbelievably improved Timberline Mountain. Thank you Perfect North, wow do they know what they are doing. 

The Colonel - DCSki Supporter
26 days ago
Member since 03/5/2004 🔗
3,080 posts

Except for communication.  The daily snow report And web Cam are neglected, often out of date or not working at all.  This is self defeating; why give inquisitive visitors a ban taste when trying to look up TLM info.  How hard it to mention why web cam not worki NS and what you are doing to fix it, or replace.  This is the first real negative situation I have seen about Perfect management.  Why spend $10M+ to fix up the place and ignore the top couple percent of the project, urea ting possible customers for no reason.  I have said it once, twice and repeat it again; COMMUNICATION is imperative!!!!!

The Colonel aka MorganB

snapdragon
26 days ago
Member since 01/27/2015 🔗
152 posts
Well I'll be whipple snapped and pipple popped...cam is working and trail report updated...it just takes a week or two to get the minor details ironed out.  To all the keyboard warriors out there get up to the hill and see for yourself how well run and fun the hill has become...I'll be at both Timberline and CVR tomorrow getting the goods before the crazy rain to Mondo Merry Christmas dump of 2020 materializes...YewBoard.com!
Vermont
26 days ago (edited 26 days ago)
Member since 12/26/2019 🔗
174 posts

I don’t understand the bad reports about “potential parking problems “ and inability to find info on their website, seems a bit spoiled compared to the days of driving to the mountain and finding out for yourself and then reporting on it, maybe part of the “need it now generation “

compared to what’s going on at Snowshoe where pass holders can’t ski because of overcrowding it really is small potatoes.

the owners were smart capitalizing on the reports of all the problems at Snowshoe , Whitetail etc

Timberline has to make snow open trails to attract people to make money, unlike snowshoe, whitetail etc where they don’t have to do anything to improve skiing conditions because they have so many people paying up front

Dafixison
25 days ago
Member since 01/30/2020 🔗
14 posts

We arrived to the mountain at 8am yesterday and were the second car parked in the little lot directly in front of the lodge.  By 9am, there were still a few spots open in the lot.

It was a great day of skiing.  White Lightning and Dew Drop were in very good condition.  A few other trails that were not listed as open on their website were open for skiing with posted warning sign of thin cover.  There was plenty of snow on those trails, including the Drop, albeit a few spots where you can see brown spots or twigs sticking out of the ground.

Longest wait in the lift line was maybe 5 rows deep, but they came in spurts.  There was almost no wait for the majority of the day.  They aren't kidding about how fast the new lift can get you to the top.

We will be back soon.

TomH
23 days ago (edited 23 days ago)
Member since 07/6/2005 🔗
375 posts

I've skied 5 days at Timberline this year.  The overall experience has been great.  It is really impressive all the work they have done on the mountain.  Snow surfaces are excellent, lodge looks great (haven't been inside), ticket windows are much more efficient, lifties are friendly and the new lifts are fantastic.  It hasn't been crowded any of the days I've been there so I haven't had any issue with parking.

Only a couple of things I've noticed that are negative.

1) The lifties are telling people to wear their masks but people are rolling into line without masks on or only covering their mouths (do people realize their noses are connected to their lungs).  The most likely place to get infected is in the line so they really need someone monitoring the lines as people enter the corrals not when they get to the front where the liftie is located.  Most people are trying to comply.

2) They consistently open the lifts at between 9:10 and 9:15.  This is unacceptable for people that day trip from DC and get there early to avoid crowds.  

Other than that the place is running great.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
23 days ago
Member since 12/10/2008 🔗
2,318 posts

TomH wrote:

I've skied 5 days at Timberline this year.  The overall experience has been great.  It is really impressive all the work they have done on the mountain.  Snow surfaces are excellent, lodge looks great (haven't been inside), ticket windows are much more efficient, lifties are friendly and the new lifts are fantastic.  It hasn't been crowded any of the days I've been there so I haven't had any issue with parking.

Only a couple of things I've noticed that are negative.

1) The lifties are telling people to wear their masks but people are rolling into line without masks on or only covering their mouths (do people realize their noses are connected to their lungs).  The most likely place to get infected is in the line so they really need someone monitoring the lines as people enter the corrals not when they get to the front where the liftie is located.  Most people are trying to comply.

2) They consistently open the lifts at between 9:10 and 9:15.  This is unacceptable for people that day trip from DC and get there early to avoid crowds.  

Other than that the place is running great.

At Alta, if a lift opens later than normal, it's because ski patrol is not done with their work.

Reisen
20 days ago
Member since 01/25/2005 🔗
357 posts
I skied with my 6 and 8 year olds on Sunday, Dec 27 at Timberline. We have Ikon passes and in past years, our skiing is usually a mix of weekends at Snowshoe, a couple of day trips to Whitetail, and then usually two trips per year out west. 

I had skied at TM years ago, and wanted to give them some business to support the new ownership. Additionally, we were looking for someplace that wouldn’t be as crowded (we don’t normally ski during Xmas break). 

As tends to happen with little kids, we got a later than ideal start, leaving Nova at 7am and arriving at 10 sharp. There was lots of snow on the drive, and the roads from David to TM were snow packed. The trees were covered in snow, and the whole thing felt very alpine. The day was bluebird, with temps in the low-mid 30s. 

The parking lot was crowded and full, and we were directed to park on a maintenance road above it. I noticed lots of NY and NJ plates in the lot - I think many VT resorts are pretty washed out right now. 

We had bought tickets in advance, which indicated we could go directly to the lift. This turned out not to be the case, and we needed RFID cards. The line stretched across the front of the building and up to the magic carpet. While the wait was 45 minutes, they did send employees out with free Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches, which I though was a nice gesture. Still, if the goal was to avoid the zoo that Liberty and WT are on holiday weekends, this was no better, and really made me miss the direct-to-lift convenience of our Ikon passes. Another disadvantage of TM vs the closer resorts is they only have 2 outside ticket windows, so many had to go inside to get tickets. 

While the RFID cards can be reloaded online, this will be an issue for anyone’s first visit. To avoid it in the future, I’d suggest getting there earlier. 

Another thing I noticed while standing in line was that they were spreading gravel over the ice with a mini skid loader near the base area, which I thought was smart to reduce falls. Signs of a well run operation. They had many, many employees monitoring the line, but I suspect we’re limited by point of sale devices to issue the RFID cards any faster. 

We walked through the lodge, which is still unpainted drywall (it looks like construction is ongoing), and out to the 6 pack, where we were greeted with another massive line, about the size of a normal Saturday Ballhooter line or a bad PowderRidge line. We chose the left side, and the wait was 25 minutes. At this point, the kids were pretty frustrated, and my daughter remarked that Timberline was about 10% Timber and 90% line. 

I noticed a couple of things while waiting. First, while the crowd was large (larger than I have seen at Whitetail’s main lift, ever), the 6 pack moves it well. Second, the RFID passes, which we have been accustomed to for 30 years skiing in Europe and out west, are really nice. Manually scanning bar codes at Snowshoe feels positively archaic. Third, the girl directing traffic was amazing, both friendly and efficient. Unlike SS, they were asking if groups of 2 or less would combine. Most said yes, with a few saying no. I don’t think it should be optional on weekends. Either be willing to combine, or don’t visit. Fourth, and most importantly, there were 4 lines. 3 on the lodge side, one on the other side. The left and middle line on the lodge side combined at the lift, while the right didn’t. That meant the right line moved literally twice as fast as the middle and left...

By the time we got to the top, we had been at the resort for 2 hours, and it was noon. We skied down Dew Drop as our first run, and found it just ok. Coverage was good, snow was decent, but the run was somewhat uninteresting. The kids thought it felt like more of a green than a blue. The run was fairly narrow, with your typical east coast out of control skiers and boarders, which made me nervous (for the kids) given how crowded it was.  

Coming from dew drop, we were on the opposite side of the line, and like Ballhooter, that side went much faster (10 min). For the rest of the day, we avoided the two lines that combined, and wait times were a steady 10 minutes all day. I would pick someone that entered one of the two lines that combined to watch, and they were never more than halfway when we boarded the lift. 

Our second run was Salamander, which the kids really liked. It is a long green, with extensive gladed skiing off the sides, which the kids loved. The glades were a little bare in spots, but the kids didn’t care. 

Third run was White Lightning, which we all liked, but was at the edge of the 6 y/o’s abilities. This had the poorest coverage (lots of rocks on skier’s right), but was otherwise great. The 6 y/o was able to ski it mostly parallel, maybe falling twice per run, but it was good practice for him. 

The only other run that was open was Off the Wall, which I assumed was out of the ability level of the 6 y/o, so we never skied it. There were massive whales on Thunderstruck and enough snow to ski it, but it was roped off with hoses dragged across much of it. Hopefully it will be open any day. 

We skied Thundersnow a couple of times, but the run is so short it feels like more of a connector. We never did ride the double, which was so short (400 feet?) as to be unappealing. It did close for about 30 minutes due to what looked like a serious accident at the top (potential neck injury unloading). 

The two runs of choice were Salamander and White Lightning, which were polar opposites, but equally fun for the kids. Highlights of the day were the weather (beautiful), the employees (all very pleasant), and the 6 pack chair (fast!). Opportunities would be a better blue run (which Whitetail and Snowshoe have in spades), more variety, and shorter lift lines. 10 minutes sounds short, but is actually a pretty long wait, all things considered. 

Other notes are that the food service was not fully running, but had some items (pizza, bread sticks, and pretzels), all for a very fair price. Outside seating was packed (no surprise), so we just picnicked on the snow, which worked fine. Restrooms are accessible from outside the lodge, which is nice. As mentioned in the other thread, mask use was good but not great, and enforcement was minimal. I would estimate 10% of people wore no mask in line, and I only heard comments from employees twice all day. Each time, the person out one on when asked, but looked around like “there are 12 other people in this line not wearing masks either!”  Snowshoe is clearly leading the way here. 

I don’t know if / when we will return. SS offers a much larger resort with more variety for about an extra hour drive each way, plus it is on the Ikon Pass. In normal times, we would have Primo, which negates their lines. Western Territory offers equivalent on-piste skiing with 50% more vertical and a similar high speed lift. 

Whitetail offers, IMO, better intermediate terrain, with nearly as much vertical and an equivalent high speed lift. If Whitetail has good conditions, I would probably opt for that  for a day trip to cut the drive in half. For an expert, though, Timberline is superior with more expert terrain served by a faster lift with much more vert. 

I found TM to be well run, and suspect it has a bright future. How nice would it be if they could expand the resort?
dwm8a
20 days ago
Member since 02/23/2017 🔗
49 posts

Thanks Reisen - very thoughtful post, much appreciated.

For local trips, I typically choose Snowshoe for two reasons: (1) I like the Western Territory and think it's meaningfully better terrain compared to most (but not all!) other terrain I've ridden in the mid-Atlantic; and (2) I buy Ikon. Now that (2) may not be an important consideration for me this year, the reason (for me at least) to go to Snowshoe is entirely based on the Western Territory. I just don't know that it's worth an extra three hours of driving roundtrip (for me, from NW DC). I do like the RFID approach (does ANY other Mid-A resort do this?), am interested in supporting T-line's new owners, and really like that T-line has outdoor-accessible restrooms. But I definitely want to avoid the line to get an RFID card on my first trip. I guess this suggests trying to make trip #1 during the week if possible. I also like that you can re-load your RFID card online, and you get a credit on your card if you ski for four hours or less (I tend to want to leave places like Whitetail/Liberty after less than four hours on the hill, so I typically buy just four hour tickets when I go there on non-powder days).

skicat
20 days ago (edited 20 days ago)
Member since 03/5/2014 🔗
18 posts

Thanks for the review! Very disappointed to hear timberline is getting crowded like ss, but I guess that’s good for their business.

to me t-line is a better option than ss given that I don’t want to be stuck with the expert only options in western territory. Want to give my legs a rest with a good long easy run from time to time. T-line offers a good mix of runs from top of the mountain. Ironically, my favorites are thunder struck, almost heaven, and twister. None of them are open yet. I just find the winding thunderstruck to be a little more interesting than white lighting, almost heaven to have the best scenery, and twister a better version of salamander, which I find too flat. And I always like to combine t-line with Canaan, the Weiss meadows runs and dark side are really fun.

Hope they can solve this point of sale issue soon to make things more smooth.


Reisen wrote:

I skied with my 6 and 8 year olds on Sunday, Dec 27 at Timberline. We have Ikon passes and in past years, our skiing is usually a mix of weekends at Snowshoe, a couple of day trips to Whitetail, and then usually two trips per year out west. 

I had skied at TM years ago, and wanted to give them some business to support the new ownership. Additionally, we were looking for someplace that wouldn’t be as crowded (we don’t normally ski during Xmas break). 

As tends to happen with little kids, we got a later than ideal start, leaving Nova at 7am and arriving at 10 sharp. There was lots of snow on the drive, and the roads from David to TM were snow packed. The trees were covered in snow, and the whole thing felt very alpine. The day was bluebird, with temps in the low-mid 30s. 

The parking lot was crowded and full, and we were directed to park on a maintenance road above it. I noticed lots of NY and NJ plates in the lot - I think many VT resorts are pretty washed out right now. 

We had bought tickets in advance, which indicated we could go directly to the lift. This turned out not to be the case, and we needed RFID cards. The line stretched across the front of the building and up to the magic carpet. While the wait was 45 minutes, they did send employees out with free Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches, which I though was a nice gesture. Still, if the goal was to avoid the zoo that Liberty and WT are on holiday weekends, this was no better, and really made me miss the direct-to-lift convenience of our Ikon passes. Another disadvantage of TM vs the closer resorts is they only have 2 outside ticket windows, so many had to go inside to get tickets. 

While the RFID cards can be reloaded online, this will be an issue for anyone’s first visit. To avoid it in the future, I’d suggest getting there earlier. 

Another thing I noticed while standing in line was that they were spreading gravel over the ice with a mini skid loader near the base area, which I thought was smart to reduce falls. Signs of a well run operation. They had many, many employees monitoring the line, but I suspect we’re limited by point of sale devices to issue the RFID cards any faster. 

We walked through the lodge, which is still unpainted drywall (it looks like construction is ongoing), and out to the 6 pack, where we were greeted with another massive line, about the size of a normal Saturday Ballhooter line or a bad PowderRidge line. We chose the left side, and the wait was 25 minutes. At this point, the kids were pretty frustrated, and my daughter remarked that Timberline was about 10% Timber and 90% line. 

I noticed a couple of things while waiting. First, while the crowd was large (larger than I have seen at Whitetail’s main lift, ever), the 6 pack moves it well. Second, the RFID passes, which we have been accustomed to for 30 years skiing in Europe and out west, are really nice. Manually scanning bar codes at Snowshoe feels positively archaic. Third, the girl directing traffic was amazing, both friendly and efficient. Unlike SS, they were asking if groups of 2 or less would combine. Most said yes, with a few saying no. I don’t think it should be optional on weekends. Either be willing to combine, or don’t visit. Fourth, and most importantly, there were 4 lines. 3 on the lodge side, one on the other side. The left and middle line on the lodge side combined at the lift, while the right didn’t. That meant the right line moved literally twice as fast as the middle and left...

By the time we got to the top, we had been at the resort for 2 hours, and it was noon. We skied down Dew Drop as our first run, and found it just ok. Coverage was good, snow was decent, but the run was somewhat uninteresting. The kids thought it felt like more of a green than a blue. The run was fairly narrow, with your typical east coast out of control skiers and boarders, which made me nervous (for the kids) given how crowded it was.  

Coming from dew drop, we were on the opposite side of the line, and like Ballhooter, that side went much faster (10 min). For the rest of the day, we avoided the two lines that combined, and wait times were a steady 10 minutes all day. I would pick someone that entered one of the two lines that combined to watch, and they were never more than halfway when we boarded the lift. 

Our second run was Salamander, which the kids really liked. It is a long green, with extensive gladed skiing off the sides, which the kids loved. The glades were a little bare in spots, but the kids didn’t care. 

Third run was White Lightning, which we all liked, but was at the edge of the 6 y/o’s abilities. This had the poorest coverage (lots of rocks on skier’s right), but was otherwise great. The 6 y/o was able to ski it mostly parallel, maybe falling twice per run, but it was good practice for him. 

The only other run that was open was Off the Wall, which I assumed was out of the ability level of the 6 y/o, so we never skied it. There were massive whales on Thunderstruck and enough snow to ski it, but it was roped off with hoses dragged across much of it. Hopefully it will be open any day. 

We skied Thundersnow a couple of times, but the run is so short it feels like more of a connector. We never did ride the double, which was so short (400 feet?) as to be unappealing. It did close for about 30 minutes due to what looked like a serious accident at the top (potential neck injury unloading). 

The two runs of choice were Salamander and White Lightning, which were polar opposites, but equally fun for the kids. Highlights of the day were the weather (beautiful), the employees (all very pleasant), and the 6 pack chair (fast!). Opportunities would be a better blue run (which Whitetail and Snowshoe have in spades), more variety, and shorter lift lines. 10 minutes sounds short, but is actually a pretty long wait, all things considered. 

Other notes are that the food service was not fully running, but had some items (pizza, bread sticks, and pretzels), all for a very fair price. Outside seating was packed (no surprise), so we just picnicked on the snow, which worked fine. Restrooms are accessible from outside the lodge, which is nice. As mentioned in the other thread, mask use was good but not great, and enforcement was minimal. I would estimate 10% of people wore no mask in line, and I only heard comments from employees twice all day. Each time, the person out one on when asked, but looked around like “there are 12 other people in this line not wearing masks either!”  Snowshoe is clearly leading the way here. 

I don’t know if / when we will return. SS offers a much larger resort with more variety for about an extra hour drive each way, plus it is on the Ikon Pass. In normal times, we would have Primo, which negates their lines. Western Territory offers equivalent on-piste skiing with 50% more vertical and a similar high speed lift. 

Whitetail offers, IMO, better intermediate terrain, with nearly as much vertical and an equivalent high speed lift. If Whitetail has good conditions, I would probably opt for that  for a day trip to cut the drive in half. For an expert, though, Timberline is superior with more expert terrain served by a faster lift with much more vert. 

I found TM to be well run, and suspect it has a bright future. How nice would it be if they could expand the resort?

 

Reisen
20 days ago
Member since 01/25/2005 🔗
357 posts
Thunderstruck should be open any day, it had tons of snow, and people were poaching it. The only reason I didn’t was the kids, the hoses, and workers were actively doing stuff on it. 

Twister was nowhere near open, and will need a lot of work. Not sure on Almost Heaven. 

There was another green run we skipped, off of Dewdrop, that seemed mainly designed to access slope side lodging. 

They were working on building park features.
eggraid
20 days ago
Member since 02/9/2010 🔗
473 posts


 You may have been misinformed; Ikon pass holders and snowshoe season pass holders can walk up and ski without a reservation. People who want to buy a single-day ticket should buy ahead, because those do sell out in an effort to limit capacity, which, IMHO is not a bad thing, but a good thing. I think that Snowshoe and Whitetail in past years have been at the head of the pack in terms of snowmaking and is a MAJOR part of the reason they have such a loyal following. It seems that the new owners of TR are off to a great start, which is much appreciated by winter sports lovers!

Vermont wrote:

I don’t understand the bad reports about “potential parking problems “ and inability to find info on their website, seems a bit spoiled compared to the days of driving to the mountain and finding out for yourself and then reporting on it, maybe part of the “need it now generation “

compared to what’s going on at Snowshoe where pass holders can’t ski because of overcrowding it really is small potatoes.

the owners were smart capitalizing on the reports of all the problems at Snowshoe , Whitetail etc

Timberline has to make snow open trails to attract people to make money, unlike snowshoe, whitetail etc where they don’t have to do anything to improve skiing conditions because they have so many people paying up front

Vermont
20 days ago
Member since 12/26/2019 🔗
174 posts

Getting to a ski area at 10am the Sunday after Christmas it’s amazing you could even do anything 

At Whitetail they were in line 2 hours today to get their cards .

10 minutes in a line on a weekend is quite good that’s without having to pay for “ Primo” I would imagine being used to cutting lines at Snowshoe  made your daughter’s experience at Timberline feel that much worse 

hopefully you get them back when the best trails are open for them like Twister etc. and definitely like the other person said go midweek to get the best experience 

I totally dig the description of the drive up , the elevation is what makes that place, whitetail is so low

and like the others said about Snowshoe the western side is good but the front side under 800 ft is not worth the drive 

Vermont
20 days ago
Member since 12/26/2019 🔗
174 posts

eggraid wrote:


 You may have been misinformed; Ikon pass holders and snowshoe season pass holders can walk up and ski without a reservation. People who want to buy a single-day ticket should buy ahead, because those do sell out in an effort to limit capacity, which, IMHO is not a bad thing, but a good thing. I think that Snowshoe and Whitetail in past years have been at the head of the pack in terms of snowmaking and is a MAJOR part of the reason they have such a loyal following. It seems that the new owners of TR are off to a great start, which is much appreciated by winter sports lovers!

Vermont wrote:

I don’t understand the bad reports about “potential parking problems “ and inability to find info on their website, seems a bit spoiled compared to the days of driving to the mountain and finding out for yourself and then reporting on it, maybe part of the “need it now generation “

compared to what’s going on at Snowshoe where pass holders can’t ski because of overcrowding it really is small potatoes.

the owners were smart capitalizing on the reports of all the problems at Snowshoe , Whitetail etc

Timberline has to make snow open trails to attract people to make money, unlike snowshoe, whitetail etc where they don’t have to do anything to improve skiing conditions because they have so many people paying up front

Wow so no control over who shows up?   when Snowshoe hosted a race thru the terrain park with skiers and snowboarders together (skiers couldn’t use their ski poles)  on the first run I was bumped and knocked to side by another racer I was fortunate to catch up and finsish top 2 to be able to move on to next round, at the bottom I went to the guy who tried to knock me off the course and I saw he had on a damn ski patrol cross, I was pissed seeing he was patrol and he asked if it was my 1st time in that type of a race and he told me to get used to it! A real wise guy!      I just took the outside lane at start from then on and cruised to win, I got a sweet pair Rossignol skis/ bindings, a snowboard , Spy goggles and Van sneakers,  the damn ski patrol tried to prevent me from moving on so his buddy who also worked there could win instead of a paying customer like myself ,

 

jpetraiuolo
19 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts

Personally I preferred Timberline over Whitetail. The vertical is similar and the drive is twice as long as Whitetail. That being said the drive to TM is awesome. 

There were 3 big reasons why it’s worth the drive. 

1. The snow is way better at TM. If whitetail gets a snow storm it’d be great but that is very rare. 

2. Whitetail’s black runs are less steep than their blue runs. They also have a shorter vertical than TMs.

3. The crowd of inexperienced, out of control skiers and borders at WT is out of control. Last time I went I got ran into by 3 people. 

Cannot wait to try out more runs at TM! 

jpetraiuolo
19 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts

I would love to try SS especially cause of the W.T. I never end up going because it’s too far for a day trip and the lodging costs an arm and a leg. For the same price You can drive an extra hour or two to NY/Vermont or better yet fly to Denver and stay off mountain. Last year I was between SS and Colorado and actually went to A-Basin cause it was cheaper.

Reisen wrote:

I skied with my 6 and 8 year olds on Sunday, Dec 27 at Timberline. We have Ikon passes and in past years, our skiing is usually a mix of weekends at Snowshoe, a couple of day trips to Whitetail, and then usually two trips per year out west. 

I had skied at TM years ago, and wanted to give them some business to support the new ownership. Additionally, we were looking for someplace that wouldn’t be as crowded (we don’t normally ski during Xmas break). 

As tends to happen with little kids, we got a later than ideal start, leaving Nova at 7am and arriving at 10 sharp. There was lots of snow on the drive, and the roads from David to TM were snow packed. The trees were covered in snow, and the whole thing felt very alpine. The day was bluebird, with temps in the low-mid 30s. 

The parking lot was crowded and full, and we were directed to park on a maintenance road above it. I noticed lots of NY and NJ plates in the lot - I think many VT resorts are pretty washed out right now. 

We had bought tickets in advance, which indicated we could go directly to the lift. This turned out not to be the case, and we needed RFID cards. The line stretched across the front of the building and up to the magic carpet. While the wait was 45 minutes, they did send employees out with free Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches, which I though was a nice gesture. Still, if the goal was to avoid the zoo that Liberty and WT are on holiday weekends, this was no better, and really made me miss the direct-to-lift convenience of our Ikon passes. Another disadvantage of TM vs the closer resorts is they only have 2 outside ticket windows, so many had to go inside to get tickets. 

While the RFID cards can be reloaded online, this will be an issue for anyone’s first visit. To avoid it in the future, I’d suggest getting there earlier. 

Another thing I noticed while standing in line was that they were spreading gravel over the ice with a mini skid loader near the base area, which I thought was smart to reduce falls. Signs of a well run operation. They had many, many employees monitoring the line, but I suspect we’re limited by point of sale devices to issue the RFID cards any faster. 

We walked through the lodge, which is still unpainted drywall (it looks like construction is ongoing), and out to the 6 pack, where we were greeted with another massive line, about the size of a normal Saturday Ballhooter line or a bad PowderRidge line. We chose the left side, and the wait was 25 minutes. At this point, the kids were pretty frustrated, and my daughter remarked that Timberline was about 10% Timber and 90% line. 

I noticed a couple of things while waiting. First, while the crowd was large (larger than I have seen at Whitetail’s main lift, ever), the 6 pack moves it well. Second, the RFID passes, which we have been accustomed to for 30 years skiing in Europe and out west, are really nice. Manually scanning bar codes at Snowshoe feels positively archaic. Third, the girl directing traffic was amazing, both friendly and efficient. Unlike SS, they were asking if groups of 2 or less would combine. Most said yes, with a few saying no. I don’t think it should be optional on weekends. Either be willing to combine, or don’t visit. Fourth, and most importantly, there were 4 lines. 3 on the lodge side, one on the other side. The left and middle line on the lodge side combined at the lift, while the right didn’t. That meant the right line moved literally twice as fast as the middle and left...

By the time we got to the top, we had been at the resort for 2 hours, and it was noon. We skied down Dew Drop as our first run, and found it just ok. Coverage was good, snow was decent, but the run was somewhat uninteresting. The kids thought it felt like more of a green than a blue. The run was fairly narrow, with your typical east coast out of control skiers and boarders, which made me nervous (for the kids) given how crowded it was.  

Coming from dew drop, we were on the opposite side of the line, and like Ballhooter, that side went much faster (10 min). For the rest of the day, we avoided the two lines that combined, and wait times were a steady 10 minutes all day. I would pick someone that entered one of the two lines that combined to watch, and they were never more than halfway when we boarded the lift. 

Our second run was Salamander, which the kids really liked. It is a long green, with extensive gladed skiing off the sides, which the kids loved. The glades were a little bare in spots, but the kids didn’t care. 

Third run was White Lightning, which we all liked, but was at the edge of the 6 y/o’s abilities. This had the poorest coverage (lots of rocks on skier’s right), but was otherwise great. The 6 y/o was able to ski it mostly parallel, maybe falling twice per run, but it was good practice for him. 

The only other run that was open was Off the Wall, which I assumed was out of the ability level of the 6 y/o, so we never skied it. There were massive whales on Thunderstruck and enough snow to ski it, but it was roped off with hoses dragged across much of it. Hopefully it will be open any day. 

We skied Thundersnow a couple of times, but the run is so short it feels like more of a connector. We never did ride the double, which was so short (400 feet?) as to be unappealing. It did close for about 30 minutes due to what looked like a serious accident at the top (potential neck injury unloading). 

The two runs of choice were Salamander and White Lightning, which were polar opposites, but equally fun for the kids. Highlights of the day were the weather (beautiful), the employees (all very pleasant), and the 6 pack chair (fast!). Opportunities would be a better blue run (which Whitetail and Snowshoe have in spades), more variety, and shorter lift lines. 10 minutes sounds short, but is actually a pretty long wait, all things considered. 

Other notes are that the food service was not fully running, but had some items (pizza, bread sticks, and pretzels), all for a very fair price. Outside seating was packed (no surprise), so we just picnicked on the snow, which worked fine. Restrooms are accessible from outside the lodge, which is nice. As mentioned in the other thread, mask use was good but not great, and enforcement was minimal. I would estimate 10% of people wore no mask in line, and I only heard comments from employees twice all day. Each time, the person out one on when asked, but looked around like “there are 12 other people in this line not wearing masks either!”  Snowshoe is clearly leading the way here. 

I don’t know if / when we will return. SS offers a much larger resort with more variety for about an extra hour drive each way, plus it is on the Ikon Pass. In normal times, we would have Primo, which negates their lines. Western Territory offers equivalent on-piste skiing with 50% more vertical and a similar high speed lift. 

Whitetail offers, IMO, better intermediate terrain, with nearly as much vertical and an equivalent high speed lift. If Whitetail has good conditions, I would probably opt for that  for a day trip to cut the drive in half. For an expert, though, Timberline is superior with more expert terrain served by a faster lift with much more vert. 

I found TM to be well run, and suspect it has a bright future. How nice would it be if they could expand the resort?

 

Goback todc
19 days ago (edited 18 days ago)
Member since 12/8/2020 🔗
24 posts

Do you have any info on expansion of TM. I agree it would be nice.

jpetraiuolo wrote:

I would love to try SS especially cause of the W.T. I never end up going because it’s too far for a day trip and the lodging costs an arm and a leg. For the same price You can drive an extra hour or two to NY/Vermont or better yet fly to Denver and stay off mountain. Last year I was between SS and Colorado and actually went to A-Basin cause it was cheaper.

Reisen wrote:

I skied with my 6 and 8 year olds on Sunday, Dec 27 at Timberline. We have Ikon passes and in past years, our skiing is usually a mix of weekends at Snowshoe, a couple of day trips to Whitetail, and then usually two trips per year out west. 

I had skied at TM years ago, and wanted to give them some business to support the new ownership. Additionally, we were looking for someplace that wouldn’t be as crowded (we don’t normally ski during Xmas break). 

As tends to happen with little kids, we got a later than ideal start, leaving Nova at 7am and arriving at 10 sharp. There was lots of snow on the drive, and the roads from David to TM were snow packed. The trees were covered in snow, and the whole thing felt very alpine. The day was bluebird, with temps in the low-mid 30s. 

The parking lot was crowded and full, and we were directed to park on a maintenance road above it. I noticed lots of NY and NJ plates in the lot - I think many VT resorts are pretty washed out right now. 

We had bought tickets in advance, which indicated we could go directly to the lift. This turned out not to be the case, and we needed RFID cards. The line stretched across the front of the building and up to the magic carpet. While the wait was 45 minutes, they did send employees out with free Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches, which I though was a nice gesture. Still, if the goal was to avoid the zoo that Liberty and WT are on holiday weekends, this was no better, and really made me miss the direct-to-lift convenience of our Ikon passes. Another disadvantage of TM vs the closer resorts is they only have 2 outside ticket windows, so many had to go inside to get tickets. 

While the RFID cards can be reloaded online, this will be an issue for anyone’s first visit. To avoid it in the future, I’d suggest getting there earlier. 

Another thing I noticed while standing in line was that they were spreading gravel over the ice with a mini skid loader near the base area, which I thought was smart to reduce falls. Signs of a well run operation. They had many, many employees monitoring the line, but I suspect we’re limited by point of sale devices to issue the RFID cards any faster. 

We walked through the lodge, which is still unpainted drywall (it looks like construction is ongoing), and out to the 6 pack, where we were greeted with another massive line, about the size of a normal Saturday Ballhooter line or a bad PowderRidge line. We chose the left side, and the wait was 25 minutes. At this point, the kids were pretty frustrated, and my daughter remarked that Timberline was about 10% Timber and 90% line. 

I noticed a couple of things while waiting. First, while the crowd was large (larger than I have seen at Whitetail’s main lift, ever), the 6 pack moves it well. Second, the RFID passes, which we have been accustomed to for 30 years skiing in Europe and out west, are really nice. Manually scanning bar codes at Snowshoe feels positively archaic. Third, the girl directing traffic was amazing, both friendly and efficient. Unlike SS, they were asking if groups of 2 or less would combine. Most said yes, with a few saying no. I don’t think it should be optional on weekends. Either be willing to combine, or don’t visit. Fourth, and most importantly, there were 4 lines. 3 on the lodge side, one on the other side. The left and middle line on the lodge side combined at the lift, while the right didn’t. That meant the right line moved literally twice as fast as the middle and left...

By the time we got to the top, we had been at the resort for 2 hours, and it was noon. We skied down Dew Drop as our first run, and found it just ok. Coverage was good, snow was decent, but the run was somewhat uninteresting. The kids thought it felt like more of a green than a blue. The run was fairly narrow, with your typical east coast out of control skiers and boarders, which made me nervous (for the kids) given how crowded it was.  

Coming from dew drop, we were on the opposite side of the line, and like Ballhooter, that side went much faster (10 min). For the rest of the day, we avoided the two lines that combined, and wait times were a steady 10 minutes all day. I would pick someone that entered one of the two lines that combined to watch, and they were never more than halfway when we boarded the lift. 

Our second run was Salamander, which the kids really liked. It is a long green, with extensive gladed skiing off the sides, which the kids loved. The glades were a little bare in spots, but the kids didn’t care. 

Third run was White Lightning, which we all liked, but was at the edge of the 6 y/o’s abilities. This had the poorest coverage (lots of rocks on skier’s right), but was otherwise great. The 6 y/o was able to ski it mostly parallel, maybe falling twice per run, but it was good practice for him. 

The only other run that was open was Off the Wall, which I assumed was out of the ability level of the 6 y/o, so we never skied it. There were massive whales on Thunderstruck and enough snow to ski it, but it was roped off with hoses dragged across much of it. Hopefully it will be open any day. 

We skied Thundersnow a couple of times, but the run is so short it feels like more of a connector. We never did ride the double, which was so short (400 feet?) as to be unappealing. It did close for about 30 minutes due to what looked like a serious accident at the top (potential neck injury unloading). 

The two runs of choice were Salamander and White Lightning, which were polar opposites, but equally fun for the kids. Highlights of the day were the weather (beautiful), the employees (all very pleasant), and the 6 pack chair (fast!). Opportunities would be a better blue run (which Whitetail and Snowshoe have in spades), more variety, and shorter lift lines. 10 minutes sounds short, but is actually a pretty long wait, all things considered. 

Other notes are that the food service was not fully running, but had some items (pizza, bread sticks, and pretzels), all for a very fair price. Outside seating was packed (no surprise), so we just picnicked on the snow, which worked fine. Restrooms are accessible from outside the lodge, which is nice. As mentioned in the other thread, mask use was good but not great, and enforcement was minimal. I would estimate 10% of people wore no mask in line, and I only heard comments from employees twice all day. Each time, the person out one on when asked, but looked around like “there are 12 other people in this line not wearing masks either!”  Snowshoe is clearly leading the way here. 

I don’t know if / when we will return. SS offers a much larger resort with more variety for about an extra hour drive each way, plus it is on the Ikon Pass. In normal times, we would have Primo, which negates their lines. Western Territory offers equivalent on-piste skiing with 50% more vertical and a similar high speed lift. 

Whitetail offers, IMO, better intermediate terrain, with nearly as much vertical and an equivalent high speed lift. If Whitetail has good conditions, I would probably opt for that  for a day trip to cut the drive in half. For an expert, though, Timberline is superior with more expert terrain served by a faster lift with much more vert. 

I found TM to be well run, and suspect it has a bright future. How nice would it be if they could expand the resort?

 

jpetraiuolo
19 days ago
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts
An expansion would be awesome! I don’t have any info on that but honestly doesn’t seem to likely in the near future because of how much they have already spent on the renovations this year. There is space east of the mountain that looks like it could be developed but I don’t think it’d get the full 1000ft vertical. 
tcichecki
19 days ago
Member since 04/4/2014 🔗
12 posts

jpetraiuolo wrote:

An expansion would be awesome! I don’t have any info on that but honestly doesn’t seem to likely in the near future because of how much they have already spent on the renovations this year. There is space east of the mountain that looks like it could be developed but I don’t think it’d get the full 1000ft vertical. 

Agree, maybe they could cut another green off the side of Salamander but it doesn't seem steep enough to be more than a run through the homes in that area. Even that would require homeowners to give up land for that trail.

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Reisen
19 days ago
Member since 01/25/2005 🔗
357 posts
I agree flying out west is often a better deal, and far superior experience. This is one of the primary reasons we have not bought at Snowshoe. Last season, we skipped SS entirely and opted for an extra (third) trip out west. 

That said, SS can be done incredibly cheaply, as I did in my 20s, when I first found DCSki (and SS info on here). The ridiculous pass is an incredible deal, and cheap lodging can be found close by in places like Cass or Marlinton (the Boyer Motel closed years ago). 

SS is also attractive to families and multi-family groups. We have taken our extended family (parents and siblings) and rented large houses, as well as gone with friends. That gets expensive when you’re talking about 16 plane tickets to Colorado. 

Also, someone mentioned out-of-control skiers upthread. Unfortunately, I found that to be similar to WT or SS at Timberline.  I actually saw one of the scarier things I’ve seen in 35 years of skiing when a young guy was straight lining Dew Drop completely out of control (hard to explain, but he was crouched yet leaning back, almost steering with his tails like a boat rudder), no helmet, and launched at full speed 20 yards off the trail into dense trees. I skied over expecting to need to call for a sled and, miraculously, he missed every tree and was completely unscathed. He hiked out and kept doing it!

snapdragon
19 days ago
Member since 01/27/2015 🔗
152 posts
I too was at Tline yesty and believe I saw the same kid fly by on my ride up...I commented to my friend "watch watch watch" and then he disappeared around the bend as the chairlift removed me from the AFV sh$tshow...parents shouldn't let kids like that off the leash unsupervised...YewBoard.com!
fosphenytoin - DCSki Supporter
13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)
Member since 12/20/2017 🔗
132 posts

Does anyone have lodging recommendations in Davis, WV?  Planning to visit T'line first weekend of Feb.  No availability at Canaan Valley 1st wknd of Feb.  

From T'line website, local lodging options in Davis are:

1) Billy Motel

2) Alpine Lodge

3) Bright Morning B&B

1) and 3) have the same price per nightly rate, 2) is a bit cheaper.  

I plan to ski T'line on Sat., and CV on Sunday half day.  

3 hours drive one day from NoVA is a bit long to make a day trip.  

Thanks in advance for your reply!

camp
13 days ago
Member since 01/30/2005 🔗
571 posts

fosphenytoin wrote:

Does anyone have lodging recommendations in Davis, WV?  

Any of those are good choices. Number 2 is probably the most austere of the 3.

Denis - DCSki Supporter
13 days ago
Member since 07/12/2004 🔗
2,184 posts
I often used Blackwater falls lodge.  I made reservations in holiday periods but they are rarely needed otherwise.  The Canaan Valley state park lodge is often full.  
fosphenytoin - DCSki Supporter
13 days ago
Member since 12/20/2017 🔗
132 posts

Thanks for the recommendation @Camp and @Denis.

Checked Blackwater Falls Lodge, no availability 1st wknd of Feb either.  I may proceed w/ my option 1) or 3).  

wgo
13 days ago
Member since 02/10/2004 🔗
1,306 posts
My wife and I stayed at the Billy Motel a couple years ago during a Fall trip and we really liked it. I think it is a fairly recent renovation of an existing property and it has a cool vibe. One thing I will note is that noise from adjoining rooms carries pretty well - when we were there the motel actually provided guests with ear plugs in case they were needed. 
ksampson3
13 days ago
Member since 01/9/2012 🔗
60 posts
We just stayed at the Lodge in Canaan Valley State Park and really liked it. The rooms look like they were recently redone and the place is really well constructed, i.e. thick walls and floors to help keep the sound down. We were on the first floor and never heard the folks staying upstairs (yes, the lodge was sold out). 
VASki
12 days ago
Member since 02/26/2016 🔗
7 posts

We (parents and 2 kids) stayed at The Alpine Inn Sunday night and skied yesterday at Timberline.  I picked the Alpine in because they had a large room with 3 full beds for $101 including taxes.  It's an older hotel but the people were friendly and it was nice to have such a big room without anyone having to share a bed who didn't want to :).  

New ownership at Timberline seems to be off to a good start even though they still have more work to do.  Staff members were upbeat and helpful.  Hardly anyone there on a Monday.  High speed 6-pack lift and RFID passes are awesome!

fosphenytoin - DCSki Supporter
12 days ago
Member since 12/20/2017 🔗
132 posts
Saw it on T'line FB page:

"Join us for College Days at Timberline Mountain! Show your college student ID at the ticket windows to receive a discount on lift tickets during the first weekend of every month.
• Single Day Lift Ticket: $50
• Two Day Lift Tickets: $45 per day
• Single Day Rental: $29
• Two Day Rental: $24 per day"

yellowsnow
10 days ago
Member since 12/15/2005 🔗
265 posts

The lodge at Blackwater Falls is closed for renovations and will not be available at all this season.

 

fosphenytoin wrote:

Thanks for the recommendation @Camp and @Denis.

Checked Blackwater Falls Lodge, no availability 1st wknd of Feb either.  I may proceed w/ my option 1) or 3).  

bousquet19 - DCSki Supporter
9 days ago (edited 9 days ago)
Member since 02/23/2006 🔗
670 posts

(First, thanks to all who have been posting about conditions, facilities, covid protocols, and so forth this season.  Your comments have been very helpful!)  

I skied the new Timberline Mountain for the first time on January 5 and 6.  As others have observed, the look, the feel, and the operation are all welcoming and very much improved.  What a pleasure and relief to see this mountain being managed the way it should be.


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Five runs from the top have been open for the past week or thereabouts: Salamander, Off the Wall, White Lightning, Upper Thunderboltstrucksnowclouddraftstorm, and Dew Drop.  Twister had a good looking base at the bottom, but I didn’t see any snowmaking there while I was skiing.  Both chairs were pretty much ski-on or a few-minute wait at the worst.  Mask protocols were being observed, and signs were plentiful.  Lifts ran well, except that the 6-pack didn’t open until after 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday.  RFID system was excellent (and I generally have arguments with the machinery when I use these things, so kudos to T-line).  More parking will be needed.  Tables indoors were widely separated, and all employees were masked.  Of course, weekdays aren’t typically crowded, so I can’t judge how things work here on weekends.


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Snowmaking occurred on most slopes during the entire day, which, coupled with fog for the first few hundred vertical feet at the top, made the opening turns on each run something of a grope-and-hope until visibility improved.  In terms of snow, Sally was in the best shape – smooth as butter, esp. on the 6th.  Poorest run was Lower Dew Drop with death cookies and chicken heads scattered on the upper portions.  Overall I’d rate the snow a 7 on a scale of 10 (with 6 representing side-to-side coverage with no need to be vigilant about bare spots, ice, or choppy chunks).

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Wow.  Thanks and congratulations to the new owners, management, and staff.

Woody

PS Be sure to do the math on multi-day tickets.  Some great bargains here!

ksampson3
7 days ago
Member since 01/9/2012 🔗
60 posts

bousquet19 wrote:


Lifts ran well, except that the 6-pack didn’t open until after 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday. 



Any idea what's up with that? You're the third person that I have heard that from. My buddy stood in line for 45 minutes the other day freezing his buns off until they started letting folks load. From the webcam, it looked like ski patrol didn't have their act together maybe?

The Colonel - DCSki Supporter
7 days ago (edited 7 days ago)
Member since 03/5/2004 🔗
3,080 posts

Seems to me I read some time ago that the Perfects and therefore TLM did not pay ski patrollers,  but rather used volunteers.  This might be the problem, a power struggle!!! Anybody know anything.  I would think it more difficult to find adequate numbers of volunteers in the Canaan Valley area than in the big cities (Cincinnati, etc) that support their other resort Perfect North!!??

The Colonel

wvrocks
7 days ago (edited 7 days ago)
Member since 11/9/2004 🔗
261 posts
Timberline has both volunteer and paid patrollers.  
The Colonel - DCSki Supporter
6 days ago
Member since 03/5/2004 🔗
3,080 posts

Thanks for the correction!

The Colonel

jpetraiuolo
yesterday
Member since 02/11/2020 🔗
48 posts
The snow was outstanding yesterday! They need to open the other trails!
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