Hello from Blue Knob
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bktim
July 20, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hello! My name is Tim Lyons and I work as the Director of Sales and Marketing for Blue Knob All Seasons Resort. I really enjoy reading the DCSki Website and Message Forums. I've learned a lot about the local ski resorts and skiing in general from the DCSki webite. I do not enjoy reading all of Mountain Masher's inaccurate posts about Blue Knob. What some of you may not know is that Mountain Masher, AKA Skippy, has been banned from Blue Knob for filing frivolous lawsuits against the resort. He is not even allowed on Blue Knob Resort property. I told our owner that someone is making inaccurate posts about Blue Knob on the DCSki website. He told me "not to worry it's only Skippy and he's upset because he has been banned from the mountain." I showed him some of Mountain Masher's posts about Blue Knob and he contacted our lawyer. Our lawyer had me print out every one of Mountain Masher's posts from the DCSki Message Forum and send them to him. He also had me get a copy of the footage from Mountain Mashers news interview last month. I hope we file a lawsuit against Mountain Masher for slander. I also hope we press criminal charges against Mountain Masher for trespassing on resort property. That news interview clearly shows old Skippy on Blue Knob Resort property. But that is for the owners of Blue Knob and our lawyer to decide. I do know that if Mountain Masher is seen anywhere on Blue Knob Resort property we are to call the police. I think that's enough talk about Mountain Masher. If I can ever answer any questions about Blue Knob All Seasons Resort please feel free to call me at 814-239-1022 or email me at timl@blueknob.com or post it on the DCSki Message Forum. I will try and check the Message Forum at least once a week. I will not answer any questions from Mountain Masher because he seems just a little to bitter about Blue Knob and he's not allowed here anyway.
Thanks,
Tim
Blue Knob All Seasons Resort
"The Skiers Mountain"
tgd
July 20, 2006
Member since 07/15/2004 🔗
585 posts
Welcome Tim. We DcSkiers always appreciate "Fair and Balanced" reporting, and welcome employees and managers of our local ski hills to partcipate in this board. We can all learn a lot from one another.

This could get interesting....

Tom
JohnL
July 20, 2006
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
3,514 posts
Welcome to DCSki. We are always interested in getting information about the local areas.

But I'd just as soon Scott and DCSki not get dragged into any legal proceedings. Lawyers don't solve many of life's problems. (But they seem to be good at getting banners placed on discussion pages as safety precautions...)

Open Extrovert earlier in the season! It is my favorite trail in the Mid-Atlantic, but unless it is open, it is tough to justify my 3-hour drive to Blue Knob.
JimK - DCSki Columnist
July 20, 2006
Member since 01/14/2004 🔗
2,699 posts
Welcome Blue Knob Tim. Thanks for an informative first post. I am among the many BK lovers in the DCSki readership (first skied there in 1967), but we also know the operation is not without its challenges. Always nice to hear someone from the biz reads DCSki.
DCSki Sponsor: Canaan Valley Resort
Ullr
July 20, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
Yes Tim welcome. I love your mountain! My wife and I tried it for the first time at the end of the 2005 season. We especially love Stemboggen Bowl. What a great run! Please stop by often to chat!

P.S. - You don't drive a large gas guzzling SUV do you?

johnfmh - DCSki Columnist
July 20, 2006
Member since 07/18/2001 🔗
1,918 posts
Most of us at DCSki never took Mountain Masher's posts very seriously. Anyway, I always thought slander was oral defamation against a person. Libel is written or broadcast defamation. This post sounds a lot like a bluff designed to scare Mountain Masher and anyone else thinking of posting anything remotely negative about a resort. Trying to prove a libel case based on Internet forum chatter would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. Furthermore, BK will have to demonstrate that these posts by Masher actually caused BK material damage--another very difficult thing to prove. Finally, the absolute defense against libel is the truth, so if anything Masher said was true, it could undermine any type of libel suit. In short, I don't think Masher, Scott, or DCSki should worry about this threatened lawsuit. It's about as frivolous as Masher's posts. If Tim Lyons was serious about a lawsuit, he would not be announcing it on DCSki. Tim, didn't your lawyer ever warn you to never discuss any pending legal actions in a public forum? Do us a favor and stay off this forum. We don't need someone to introduce themselves and then start threatening one of our members. Focus on improving BK because it needs all the help it can get: spending a lot of money on a lawyer is not going to get Extrovert opened next season. Instead of breaking the ice Tim, you are having a chilling effect on this web site. Thanks a lot.
Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
July 20, 2006
Member since 08/16/2004 🔗
1,838 posts
Tim, just focus your efforts on giving us the best product you can offer. Do it in an environmental wise manner and be humble for you are charged with Stewardship of Blue Knob State Park, Pennsylvanians are watching.
Roy
July 21, 2006
Member since 01/11/2000 🔗
609 posts
I have to concur with John. Tim, if you work for a company that is thinking about sueing anyone, going to a website and talking about it is either immature or going to get you fired.
SCWVA
July 21, 2006
Member since 07/13/2004 🔗
1,051 posts
For starters, I think BK's lawyers would have to prove MM was inaccurate in his statements. This may be tough to do.

BK would have to finish the snowmaking pond, do maintenace and repairs,........If they did this I might take a chance and ski BK for the 1st time!
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi Johnfmh,
You would make a great Jail House lawyer. I'm sorry if I upset you with my first post. I was out of line and you corrected me. After reading a lot of Mountain Masher's posts about Blue Knob I was upset. I care very much about this mountain. I do welcome negative comments about the resort. We are not going to improve if we do not know what we are doing wrong. I want to find out what the real skier thinks. That's why I read the DCSki Website and Message Forum. But what Mountain Masher is doing is an all out attack on Blue Knob. I don't think the owner of Blue Knob would ever file a lawsuit against Mountain Masher but it's up to him. From your post it sounds like we wouldn't have a chance of winning anyway. I was not threatening one of your members. I was just telling you the truth. Again I'm sorry if I upset you.
Sincerely,
Tim
Blue Knob
"The Skiers Mountain"
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi Tom,
Thank you for the warm welcome. I am already learning a lot from the DCSki message board. I just got a lesson in Law101 from johnfmh. Have a great weekend.
Thanks,
Tim
Blue Knob
"The Skiers Mountain"
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi Roy,
Maybe I was being a little immature. Mountain Masher really upset me with his attack on Blue Knob. Sorry if I started out on the wrong foot.
Thanks,
Tim
Blue Knob
"The Skiers Mountain"
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi JohnL,
Thanks for the nice welcome. I appreciate the advice as well.
Thank you,
Tim
Blue Knob
"The Skiers Mountain"
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi JimK,
Thank you for the warm welcome. It's nice to hear from someone who loves Blue Knob.
Thanks,
Tim
Blue Knob
"Ski Good or Eat Wood"
snowsmith - DCSki Supporter
July 21, 2006
Member since 03/15/2004 🔗
1,336 posts
Bktim:
First let me say welcome to our forum. We have a diversity of opinions about many issues which I find very enjoyable.
I have skied at BK twice since 1976 and plan on skiing there more. The raw beauty of the resort and the challenging terrain make it a special place in the Mid-Atlantic. One thing that most folks will agree on is that the mountain tends to be on the icy side from my experience (which is limited). The old lift that goes from the base to the top is old and slow. But I can live with that. The ski lodge has a very rustic character to it that goes with "the skiers mountain" ambiance. I have some questions that would clear up some of the perceptions that Skippy has left us with:
- How will the new snow making pond be supplied with water?
- Could you comment on Skippy's logging acertions? I frankly did not see any logging devastatin when I visited last year.
- Are you planning any snow making improvements?

Look forward to visiting again this year, hopefully several times at least.
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi Snowsmith,
Thank you for the warm welcome to the DCSki Message Forum. The water for the new snow making pond will be pumped up from the Air Force dam on the bottom up the mountain. I know very little about any logging activity at Blue Knob All Seasons Resort. I have been here 3 1/2 years and I have not seen any logging on the mountain. I called our Mountain Manager and asked him and he said the last major logging at Blue Knob was in 1998. We will make a couple snow making improvements this year. We will put permanent snow making on the terrain park. We will also make improvements to water lines on other trails. Have a great weekend.
Thank You,
Tim
Blue Knob
"Ski Good or Eat Wood"
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi Sprnghl_Crze,
Thank you for the wonderful advice.
Think Snow,
Tim
Blue Knob
"Ski Good or Eat Wood"
johnfmh - DCSki Columnist
July 21, 2006
Member since 07/18/2001 🔗
1,918 posts
Quote:

Hi Johnfmh,
You would make a great Jail House lawyer. I'm sorry if I upset you with my first post. I was out of line and you corrected me. After reading a lot of Mountain Masher's posts about Blue Knob I was upset. I care very much about this mountain. I do welcome negative comments about the resort. We are not going to improve if we do not know what we are doing wrong. I want to find out what the real skier thinks. That's why I read the DCSki Website and Message Forum. But what Mountain Masher is doing is an all out attack on Blue Knob. I don't think the owner of Blue Knob would ever file a lawsuit against Mountain Masher but it's up to him. From your post it sounds like we wouldn't have a chance of winning anyway. I was not threatening one of your members. I was just telling you the truth. Again I'm sorry if I upset you.
Sincerely,
Tim
Blue Knob
"The Skiers Mountain"




Apologies accepted. Welcome to the forum. I think the consensus about BK is that it is a diamond in the rough--great natural terrain and potential plus a location convenient for day trippers. With a little TLC, more snowmaking, maybe a lift upgrade for the future and of course more marketing, this mountain could pull in some big numbers.
bktim
July 21, 2006
Member since 06/14/2006 🔗
32 posts
Hi Ullr,
Thank you for the warm welcome to the DCSki Website and Message Board.
Sincerely,
Tim
Blue Knob
"Ski Good or Eat Wood"
Roy
July 22, 2006
Member since 01/11/2000 🔗
609 posts
bktim,

A lot of things MM says about Blue Knob upsets me too. It is my favorite close mountain to DC. I welcome the alternative opinion to some of Skippy's comments.
johnfmh - DCSki Columnist
July 22, 2006
Member since 07/18/2001 🔗
1,918 posts
One thing I resent is the idea of industry people reading this forum and then trying to punish forum members (like Canaanman or Mountain Masher for example) who post things they do not like. Canaanman was apparently banned from Timberline for some of his posts, and Tim is trying to ban Masher from Blue Knob. The reason people read the forum is to get unvarnished opinions of local ski areas. If people feel they cannot make a negative post, even if the it is THE TRUTH, then I think this forum, and by extension DCSki, will lose some of its effectiveness as an unbiased source of information on Mid-Atlantic skiing. This is the "chilling effect" I alluded to in an earlier post.

To me, it's fine and welcomed for people like Tim to get on the forum to clarify or correct inaccurate statements, but getting punitive is a whole other story. Most negative posts are not made maliciously, but to address a a real concern and get other people's feedback. Furthermore, if industry types want to silence any criticism on DCSki, people will just go elsewhere. It's better to have the criticism expressed here, where we have a lot of knowledgeable local skiers who can correct or clarify the issue than on some hard to find blog.

PS In the Canaanman case, the T-line ski patrol apparently banned him from the mountain for an unspecificd period for providing detailed instructions on how to access certain off-piste terrain (namely the Cherry Glades) at T-line--terrain btw that the Ski Patrollers poach all the time and terrain that many experts go to the resort to ski.
Tucker
July 22, 2006
Member since 03/14/2005 🔗
893 posts
I don't know much about Blue Knob and the validity of MM's statements but I do know about the validity of the statement you just made John. You don't know what the hell your talking about. Canaanman was never banned from the mountain by anybody, however ski patrol did talk to his father maybe he couldn't ride for a weekend or two I don't know, maybe they pulled his pass until he wrote a letter explaining he understood the consequences of his actions-I'm not sure. But I'm sure I've seen him riding the mountain every season since the incident you are refering to.

Here is what else I'm sure of: Ski Patrol was not upset with him for letting out so called stash secrets. SKi Patrol was upset with him for participating in and promoting unruly and dangerous behavior. Canaanman claimed to be a bad ass by stating he jumped off the pump house and mocked ski patrol in the process-he reported/bragged about this. The pump house is forbidden fruit, not constructed to ride or ski on and is clearly marked off. Ironically the truth was it was his friend who infact jumped of the pump house and canaanman was taking the props. The embarressment alone for taking credit for someone else's actions was punishment enough alone if you ask me. He was a laughing stock- everytime his name was mentioned on the mountain people made jokes...still do...kinda like whenever anyone skis/rides OFF the Wall they smile laugh and say "Oh that is just to difficult for experts".

Of course it is irresponsible for anyone to promote dangerous and unruly behavior to the public on a forum or otherwise. Skiing is a dangerous sport and people get killed because they don't realize the danger. Hopefully JOhn you never will but if you worked on an incident at a ski resort, as I have, were a patient dies or is seriously injured for life maybe you would understand the danger of promoting reckless/dangerous/unruly behavior.

Canaan Man sorry to bring this up again, but I had to straighten this jibberish out. I enjoy seeing you and your friends respectively rippin' on the mountain. Besides you were a young man when this happened 16..17??? It is easy to not fully understand the consequences of your actions when your young. Besides the pump house looks like a fun hit, but it is closed for a reason. And you and I both know that I have shown you some sweet spots that most folks never find.

In my ten years of riding at timberline never once have I seen SKi Patrol kick anyone out of the Cherrybowl as long as they were good enough to be in there and were not a danger to themselves. Although I would never promote riding/skiing on closed terrain. It's closed for a reason.

John I know you do a lot of good reporting on this sight. But you should be ashamed of taking a shot at the Ski Patrol who work hard to make your skiing experience at timberline enjoyable and safe. SKi patrol is one of the few goups of People at that mountain who work to make your experience at TImberline a skiing one. This time you just don't know what your talkin about!
johnfmh - DCSki Columnist
July 22, 2006
Member since 07/18/2001 🔗
1,918 posts
Tucker:

I have nothing against the Ski Patrol and have many friends who are patrollers. I believe in the their mission and have the utmost respect for what they do on the mountain.

Thanks for the clarification about the Canaanman story--it demonstrates my point perfectly: if someone makes an inaccurate statement, someone else will correct them. Many thanks. It's a basic reason why this forum is better than an anonymous blog.

However, my basic point, which you never fully clarified, is that the Ski Patrol took away Canaanman's boarding privileges (or told his father to do so) for an undetermined amount of time for something he said on the forum (his boastful, albeit sophmoric comments about the pump house). Similarly, Tim Lyons would like to ban Mountain Masher from BK for things he said on the forum. It's perfectly acceptable for the Ski Patrol or Mountain management to revoke a skier or a boarder's privileges for what people do on the mountain, but for what they say on the forum? That strikes me as censorship. We all know that the pump house is forbidden fruit and Canaanman brought that up as joke. It was not meant to be taken seriously. Again, there's a lot of humour and nuance on this forum that new posters like yourself don't seem to understand. People say things they do not mean to be humorous or ironic. What I resent are people like Tim who want to try and punish people for saying certain things on the forum. If you are patroller at Timberline and you intend to keep a book on what people say on the forum, I suggest that you let everyone on the list know your real identity and state your intentions.
Scott - DCSki Editor
July 22, 2006
Member since 10/10/1999 🔗
1,132 posts
I will say a few things about recent events but don't want to get too involved in the discussion.

As you all know, the DCSki Message Forums are intended as a place for the open exchange of ideas and information, including debates where candid opinions are presented and differences are resolved (or not). Numerous ski resorts read the forums (most of them silently) to get a feel for what visitors think about their resorts, good and bad, and they often use these opinions to make improvements.

Allowing the forums to remain a place of open discourse does require responsibility on the part of forum posters, however. I am always concerned about the accuracy of content on DCSki, and am concerned by situations where someone appears to be using DCSki to (aggressively) pursue their own agenda.

I get very concerned when accusations are made that cannot be independently verified (by me or anyone), especially when these accusations appear designed to damage the reputation of a person or entity. And personal attacks are always inappropriate. On rare occasions I have had to communicate privately with individuals to express concern. In some cases this has had a positive effect, in other cases my guidance was completely ignored and it did not appear possible to have a rational discussion.

I welcome Blue Knob's participation in the Forums because for a long time, Blue Knob has been discussed relentlessly by a small group of individual(s), and Blue Knob has not participated in the dialog to present their own viewpoint or defend accusations that were made.

At the same time, I will not allow DCSki to become a place of endless argument and debate over a specific resort or topic. Readers do not want to see that. (Well, some might, but I'm looking out for the silent majority!) At some point people have made their point and need to move on.

Everyone should understand that there is a delicate balance that must be achieved. The continued existence of the DCSki Message Forums is contingent upon readers posting responsibly.
Tucker
July 22, 2006
Member since 03/14/2005 🔗
893 posts
Clarification:

The entire thing (the actions taken on the mountain) had nothing to do with this forum or sight John. Your kidding yourself if you think it did. It was the fact that Canaanman was involved with promoting the incident on the mountain. His friend was indeed the one that poached the Pump House, but Canaanman was involved in the situation. The entire report on the internet happened after all that occurred on the mountain. The only thing that was a result of the internet action was he made himself look juvenile. As does anyone who makes unqualified statements.

I have worked as a Ski Patroller in the past and have held several other on snow Industry Positions at resorts including Canaan, Snowshoe, and Timberline. I have often worked as an Instructor because I enjoy passing the passion I have for the sport along to others. I don't keep "books" as you call them and I'm definetily not employeed by any ski area right now. I'm not sure why you would accuse me of this???

But I don't agree with you...I think it's a good thing there are industry types on this forum to keep false statements in check, or to atleast respond to and or maybe answer questions. I also think it is useful for those industry Types to bring their practical knowledge to the converasation. But I do agree with you as well and don't think throwing threats around is vary constructive. I also don't think throwing accusations around is cool either.

As far as stating my intentions...I'm just here for the novelty and conversation on this sight...but when I read post that make false accusations against myself and friends (patrollers, employees, industry people, or whoever.) I'm not going to let them go unchallenged.
bawalker
July 22, 2006
Member since 12/1/2003 🔗
1,547 posts
The one thing I noticed that maybe no one else caught in this whole discussion is what the original poster said about MM. Was that MM appearantly had very bad behavior with the resort in real life by filing 'frivelous lawsuits' against Blue Knob resulting in his banning (I'm assuming through a no trespassing order probably) from the resort. Both of which could be confirmed via documents at the county courthouse if anyone is able to take a peek at the public records.

That would indicate at least in my observations that the behavior MM displays on the forum here was happening in real life at the resort and I can only assume that when he got banned that he maybe was looking for an outlet to speak against them. Again, that is just me wondering because I don't know MM, never talked to him, or anything else. If he was banned from the resort due to bad behavior with them in real life, then none of us can say anything about that because the resort has that right to follow through with that. However if it's a result based on comments on this website, then that by far crosses a line because nothing can be truely validated on here. Not even if a poster is whom they say they are.

Anyway that is just my thinking on it all.

Brad
JohnL
July 22, 2006
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
3,514 posts
As long as they identify themselves, having ski area representatives post on these forums is IMHO a very good thing. Instead of speculating on why something was done or was not done, we can get the rationale directly from the horse's mouth (or other end as the case may be.) Back and forth dialog with ski area representatives is an effective way for us customers to provide feedback. They may not be able to act on all our suggestions, but understanding their constraints/reasoning certainly helps placate the unruly villagers with torches.

Free ribs dinner at Timbers for anyone who gets Doc and Fred(?) to post on these forums.

And a case of any PA beer to anyone who gets Blue Knob to make snow earlier on Extrovert and clean out some of the rocks and debris in their glades.

A couple of bottles of Dom Perignon to anyone who gets Laurel Mountain to open this winter.

Free ski lessons to anyone who suggests regular grooming of Off The Wall.

Free ski lessons to anyone who claims all the lines through the whales are skiable.

I wouldn't worry about the repercussions of posting on DCSki (yet.) Frankly, MM is probably as much a pain in the butt in real life as he is here. Secondly, CM deserved a slap on the wrist. Thirdly, it doesn't take the skill of Sherlock Holmes to find out how to enter CB or where some of the better lines are. Herz Mountain is not exactly the size of the Yukon territory.
johnfmh - DCSki Columnist
July 23, 2006
Member since 07/18/2001 🔗
1,918 posts
Tucker:

Thanks for the clarification. It all makes sense. Your posts have been very good and we welcome more..

Let me clarify my position, industry types have always lurked on DCSki and Scott, myself, and others have occasionally fielded phone calls from them about inaccurate posts. We then try to sort through the facts and post some clarification.

What is new is for people like Tim, in particular, to openly identify themselves and contribute. I actually applaud such moves. The only thing that bothers me is when someone threatens punitive action for something said on a web forum. Tim apologized for the threat and I accept that apology. Perhaps it is good for everyone to know that the resorts are reading these posts--it helps people think before they write.

Additionally, it is preferable for an insider like Tucker to clarify an issue rather than having Scott or myself have to do it second hand based on phone or e-mail conversations with resort people. Does that make sense? I've been as guilty as anyone else in misconstruing facts. Hence, a horse's mouth approach works well by me...

One other clarification:

I had originally suggested that T-line groom out man-made snow on OTW and DROP and then allow bumps to grow naturally as they do at many VT slopes. I still believe in this approach. People who want artificial terrain features can ski terrain parks; I want natural moguls. What killed me is that T-line groomed those slopes the whole season and turned them from double black to blue squares. We need at least two bumped up slopes. Perhaps the answer is to allow White Lightening to bump up. I agree with Tucker that T-line was pretty boring last season. They need to work harder to create some challenge for advanced skiers.
Tucker
July 23, 2006
Member since 03/14/2005 🔗
893 posts
John, Thank you for your response and clarification. Thank you as well for you continuous reporting on the mid-atlantic ski areas. Keep it coming!

I liked the artificial whales as many people did, but that is a matter of opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on a matter. I'd like to see terrain parks, bumps(green,blue and black), whales with bumps. The whales were becoming a trade mark and love or hate them they were creating a buzz and people were coming to timberline to ski them or just to check them out. They were the topic of conversation in the lift lines, in the bar, and even on the internet. They created excitement and were good for the resort in my opinion. That's just my opinion.



I know your jokin John L, but be careful with your offers---if you switch a few words around you could be in a serious beer importing situation....

If you said.... A free case of PA beer to anyone who can ski/ride any line on Off the Wall with whales.....on any given weekday of the season you'd have to rent a small box truck to bring down all the beer.....How much beer for riding anyline on Off the Wall w/ Whales riding switch(fakie)?
johnfmh - DCSki Columnist
July 24, 2006
Member since 07/18/2001 🔗
1,918 posts
Quote:

I liked the artificial whales as many people did, but that is a matter of opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on a matter. I'd like to see terrain parks, bumps(green,blue and black), whales with bumps. The whales were becoming a trade mark and love or hate them they were creating a buzz and people were coming to timberline to ski them or just to check them out. They were the topic of conversation in the lift lines, in the bar, and even on the internet. They created excitement and were good for the resort in my opinion. That's just my opinion.





At this point, anything that makes T-line interesting and different is a good thing. Maybe the answer for next season is whales on OTW and natual bumps on The Drop. That sounds like a good compromise. Tucker, is there any chance that management would go with such an approach?
Tucker
July 24, 2006
Member since 03/14/2005 🔗
893 posts
I guess there's always a chance, but you would have to ask management. That sounds great to me. I would even like to see some bumps on some blue and green terrain as well.
bawalker
July 24, 2006
Member since 12/1/2003 🔗
1,547 posts
I would *LOVE* to see bumps on either Upper Dew Drop or Upper Almost Heaven. When I was at Wisp for the last two years, I love riding their one trail called Boulder Run which is half green/blue. Anyway after the snow gets soft or even after ungroomed powder, this trail will bump up because of the amount of traffic hitting a 180* U turn in it before it drops off a little bit. I was sorta surprised coming down it late one evening when there was bumps but... I rode out the bumps on this blue trail and LOVED IT!!

I would definately pay to go to Timberline more often if there was a blue trail with bumps. I'm still learning those good before progressing to blacks and black bumps.
pagamony - DCSki Supporter
July 25, 2006
Member since 02/23/2005 🔗
832 posts
This is one of the most bizarre threads I have ever seen. There is something about the internet that I think is often overlooked and is relatively important.

Nearly everyone is anonymous on the net. Over time we develop some degree of confidence in our observations, but that ignores the obvious truth that fraud happens all the time on the net. Thus, any discussions about lawsuits and personal behaviors and anything else related is largely inconsequential and should be ignored, imho.

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Now, what's this site about? SKIING !

Save the whales. When I was at tline it was all rainy and the whales had gone away. I wanted to see them, I really did. Please bring them back and I will be good to them, I promise. I like nice soft evenly spaced bumps, but not tall steep icey bumps.
JohnL
July 25, 2006
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
3,514 posts
Quote:

Nearly everyone is anonymous on the net. Over time we develop some degree of confidence in our observations, but that ignores the obvious truth that fraud happens all the time on the net. Thus, any discussions about lawsuits and personal behaviors and anything else related is largely inconsequential and should be ignored, imho.





Yes and no. I've skied with johnfmh, crush, comprex, tommo, jimmy, jimk, wgo, tromano, sheena, denis, skierguy. I've also met rogerz, but lift failure prevented us from skiing together. Also met aaron. Hopefully, I'm not forgetting anyone.

Sad to say, we're pretty much in person as we are on the net. Having met a lot of my fellow posters, it tends to keep one more honest in one's posting. Plus, there aren't too many topics where someone can post pure BS and someone on this board won't have direct experience to contradict the post or sniff out the BS.
pagamony - DCSki Supporter
July 26, 2006
Member since 02/23/2005 🔗
832 posts
John, I would mostly agree, but that doesn't mean a single individual couldn't cause a lot of trouble. For me, I'd rather not be reading about lawsuits and who got banned from where.

But you give me a nice idea. We could make a skier social network map. You've skied with 11 other users. I've skied with two other users. How about I start a thread for peopld to post 'who have you skied with' and after a couple of weeks I'll create a network map - interested?
kwillg6
August 10, 2006
Member since 01/18/2005 🔗
2,023 posts
Whoah!!! I've seen hyjacks before but this one is real impressive. It's interesting how some of these discussions morph when emotional issues come to into play. I'll vote for whales and bumps where ever possible. There was a time when they made snow under the chairs and then let it bump up for some GREAT runs....Amos, you listening????
Tucker
August 10, 2006
Member since 03/14/2005 🔗
893 posts
What I really enjoy about Snowshoe is the way they manage their terrain. If you want to play in the bumps you don't have to go over to Shay's and work your legs, you can cruise around the mountain and run into blue and green bumps as well. It's also great, and necessary, for learning bumps...because lets face it no one is going to have a good time learning to ride bumps on Shays or OTW. I also REALLY like the way Snowshoe leaves rollers and swails on the trails as they groom. You can find really gentle rolls all over the place, it's great! You can use them to pop off of or carve turns on. Snowshoe does a good job with encorporating variation in their terrain. I don't know... to me flat all the time just gets a boring real fast. I think a mountain without bumps is a mountain that is missing something. Terrain variation is where it's at and I think we will see more of it from the mountains who are on their game and listen to their customers.
tgd
August 10, 2006
Member since 07/15/2004 🔗
585 posts
Have to agree. A groomed out Tline was fun for a day, but after that it got kinda boring. Add in the slow lifts between lightning fast straightline runs and at the end of the day you can't think of a memorable ride. Last year we were taking kids up to our place and after a lesson and a few runs down Sally and Dew Drop they were straightlining OTW thinking they had mastered skiing. That is just not right! I vote for Whales on OTW, bumps on the Drop and T-struck (remember like 4 seasons ago when they let Thunderstruck bump too - that was great), snow in the woods, trees next to Silverstreak, and an open Cherry Bowl (plus someone to show me around in there).

Hey, last weekend it was 55 degrees Saturday AM in the Valley. Heading up this weekend - hoping to see the mercury drop into the 40's overnight. Snow will be here soon. Andy's probably already poached some lines off the top of MPC.

Tom
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