Personally, I would take a day at Blue Knob any day over one at Snowshoe. Even if the lower mountain isn't open at Blue Knob, expressway, Deer Run and their upper glades that are open quite frequently are more difficult and fun than any trail at Snowshoe(with the exception of Lower Shays). When anything on the lower mountain is open (normally Extrovert and High Hopes ) its really a no brainer. If you like nice groomed trails, Mambo alley is twice as long as green at snowshoe, and they normally groom Jack Rabbit nicely.
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Bryce vs Snowshoe is a bit of a stretch, but while your waiting 30 minutes in line to get on the ball hooter express, you could be skiing on similar trails at a resort that is half the distance from DC.
I live in Baltimore. If I am going to spend 5+ hours in a car I am going to Vermont.
And yes aside from Cupp SS is a vertically challenged resort. Plus those lift lines are just plain stupid.
(D'Oh! I promised myself I wouldn't)
No I meant the experience is consistently poor. Look some people love the 'Shoe and others don't!
Now it would be expensive to operate this new slope system in that you'd either have to run a lift over to it or run a road accross the top of the horseshoe from the top of the world over to the new slopes and run a shuttle. In addition, this would further deplete the lakes water since it wouldn't drain back into the lake when it melts.
I've heard rumor of an expansion plan on the other side of the lake and this might be the place. The west side seems too similar to the current basin side so maybe we'll get this killer expert area. Ok, so maybe not but its worth dreaming about, right?
Besides, then it would make these "snowshoe is overrated" posts fewer and more far between.
The gondola at Telluride is running as a public transportation between old town of Telluride and Mountain Village free of charge. The interesting thing about the gondola at Telluride is that it suspends/runs at treetop level for windy days and stormy days. Neat, huh?
I wonder what's your opinion if there's gondola(s) running from top-of-the-world to numerous areas around Snowshoe mtn? How about one running from Silver Creek down to the area near boathouse then up to the Northern Tract area then over to the Western Territory then up to the Top of the World then perhaps to the East Slope. In the summer, mtn bikers can get on the gondola with their bikes and go to the top or wherever they wants to go. I don't care much for the small size gondola that hold up to 4 ppl. I prefer the one that can hold up to about 8-10 ppl in each.
Like I said above that gondolas would help eliminate the shuttles on the road and the waiting for the shuttles.
As for the gondola, i dig it. They should build a Personal Rapid Transit like the one here in Morgantown. It is more effecient than the Disney Monorail you know
If Whitetail has all it's trails open, no. I'll get there early and do 1-2 hours worth of high speed runs off the high-speed quad. There are three quality blue cruisers off the quad. Throw in a run or two in the terrain park.
Once things are getting crowded on the quad, I'll head over to the Expert's Choice lift for some bump skiing. I could ski Bold Decision the rest of the day. It has a variety of bump lines and terrain features to choose from. Sometimes I'll ski the same line over and over until I get it right (or just get too frustrated!). Throw in some runs on Farside and Exhibition for variety, a hit on the terrain park on the way back to the lodge, and that's a full day.
If it's not crowded, I'll spend some time working on ski drills (one-legged skiing, boots unbuckled, javelin turns, pivot slips, etc.) I have a list of at least 20 drills to choose from.
At the start of each run, I generally choose a turn strategy for the run: all GS turns, tight slalom turns, alternating GS and slalom turns, not turning at all, etc. Somtimes I'll concentrated on a particular mechanic: keeps hands in front, etc. Each run down is different.
Scott Smith reported on the REAL changes in the works at Snowshoe in the following article:
"An effort is currently underway to widen many slopes at the main Snowshoe area, reducing some trail mergings and providing space for a new Superpipe and more permanent terrain park at the Snowshoe area, set to debut next season."
"Plans are also in the works to add additional terrain in the Western Territory, although a timetable is not yet in place and is dependent on environmental studies. Current plans call for adding some additional terrain to the right of Cupp Run, offering a pitch comparable to Lower Shay's at the lower parts of the mountain. Years ago, the Western Territory included a number of additional runs which trees reclaimed long ago. Some of these runs may return, but don't expect new terrain to debut in the Western Territory until sometime after next season, and possibly for several years."
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If you get the chance to ask a Shoe manager/ developer they will tell you that the costs of developing a system as the resort currently stands completely offsets revenue gains. A gondola (which would be nice) is extremely expensive to build and maintain. As long as snowshoe can make a profit running buses (which are cheaper) ... and still increase guest visits, the demand is not there for such a transportation device.
You must also consider the amount of guests who actual travel to silver creek. I know many people that go to shoe completely ignore the offerings (usually un-aware of it until too late in the day). Sadly, there is lack of demand as well.
BTW, there's a tram at Pipestem Resort(not a ski resort) not far from Snowshoe. It has been done for many years. The tram is for motel guests, hikers, bikers, visitors, kids, and anybody who wants to dine at the restaurant by the creek.
GiantLeap.. guest visits? no demands? unaware of Silvercreek? .. okay whatever but I disagree but let us agree that we disagree on that one. Let it go.
If a system of buses that moves roughly 20 ~ 30 passengers every 15 minutes does not create huge lines for silver creek, then there is no need to add a gondola system capable of moving up to 3000 per hour.
*sigh* 3000 per hour? hello mcfly? hello?
Have you seen the long lines at silvercreek waiting for the buses?
Facts (copy/paste from Telluride.com)
The gondola virtually eliminates noise and air pollution, congested parking lots, and the need for people to drive their vehicles between the two towns. It simultaneously provides clean, smooth, quiet, free and visually spectacular transportation. The gondola towers are low profile, usually not exceeding tree line, lessening the visual impact typical of gondolas while also dramatically reducing the likelihood of shut down due to high winds.
With a total of 32 eight-passenger gondola cabins on the three lines (26 on legs 1 & 2 and six on leg 3), guests can step into a gondola cabin almost every minute. Commuting this way takes far less time than riding the old intratown bus system. The hourly capacity of the gondola is 600% greater than the bus system. (The total hourly capacity of the gondola is 480 people per hour between towns in both directions while the total hourly capacity of the bus is 80 pph in both directions.) The gondola can handle up to 1200 pph if consistent demand in the future warrants more cabins being added.
-- Steamboat, CO -- 2800 skiers per hour.
Heavenly @ Tahoe has a gondola capacity of 2800 skiers per hour as well:
>> The cabins are level loading walk-in cabins which are fully ADA accessible. All three stations are level loading as well.
2800 persons/hour uphill capacity w/100% downhill loading capacity.
Banff also has a 2800 skier capacity gondola:
The new high-speed Poma replacement will carry up to 2,800 skiers per hour, nearly doubling the old lift's capacity and cutting travel time to 14 minutes per ride. "From now on," predicts Ross, "there should be no liftlines anywhere."
--- So if you were suggesting they do not exist, they do. And I do not disagree that it would be a wonderful thing... but considering Shoe's master plan to develop around the basin area ... it seems a Gondola to silver creek would be in the wrong direction. Further development there is limited... the potential on the other side of the lake however... endless.
Also from that article, not that each cabin for the gondola cost roughly ~$25,000 US. Not cheap by any means.
Now as I was saying before, Breckenridge is preparing a 3000 capacity an hour ski gondola:
According to Roger McCarthy, chief operating officer at Breckenridge, the new gondola will be capable of carrying 3,000 riders per hour in 12-passenger cabins. McCarthy said he hopes the gondola will decrease dependence on automobiles and buses in
Breckenridge, as the gondola will be able to move 60 percent more people per hour.
-- look familiar to Snowshoe? To reduce the dependency on buses. But as I said, from a business standpoint, gondola investment does not make sense for Shoe at this point!
Look @ Page 12.
Now obviously some of the costs would be variable based on location... This cost estimate is based on 3600 hours of operating (or 150 days). The total cost comes in around 364,658 *annually*. Take a look for yourself.