affordable lodging + good food near Snowshoe
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skier219
March 18, 2006
Member since 01/8/2005 🔗
1,318 posts
On my recent day trips to Wintergreen and Snowshoe, I spent the night in Bartow WV, at the intersection of routes 250, 28, and 92. Bartow is about 2 hours from Wintergreen and 40 minutes from Snowshoe, making it an ideal place to spend the night between the two resorts.

I know myself and others have griped about the lack of affordable lodging at Snowshoe, especially for solo skiers and one-night stays (Snowshoe doesn't offer packages for either). From now on, I will stay in Bartow in those situations. I got a room at the Hermitage Red Carpet Inn for $54/night. Though the hotel dates to the 60s, my room was fairly modern, clean, and in great shape. While in Bartow (which appears to be a small lumber/timber town), I had a great burger and fries at "Lyin' Bills" (the sign out front says Becky's, adding to the "Northern Exposure" TV series feel of the town). With an ice tea, it only cost $4, which was a steal. On the way back home, I phoned in an order for a pizza and picked it up en-route. The pizza was only $7, but also great. This is a real neat small-town joint in a regular looking house, and a fun place to eat.

For those of you who travel to Snowshoe along route 250 or 28/92, definitely consider Bartow for a stop. Even if you're lodging at Snowshoe, I think this would be ideal as inexpensive "night before" or "night after" lodging to allow you to take advantage of the first day's (before check-in) or last day's (after check-out) lift tickets. Or as an affordable place to hole up the night before a powder day.

For more info:

Hermitage Red Carpet Inn:
http://www.hermitagemotel.com/

Lyin' Bill's Pizza & Subs
RR 250
Bartow, WV 24920
Tel: 304-456-4900
fishnski
March 18, 2006
Member since 03/27/2005 🔗
3,530 posts
Thats a great Idea...I think I am going to put an efficiency apt in the basement of the house I just had built up near Canaan. That way I can rent it out for a low rate to singles & couples....+ I will make it Pet Friendly! Me & my Lady always had a hard time finding cheap accomodations let alone places that accepted our "Precious puddin pie'!
Rich
March 20, 2006
Member since 11/30/2000 🔗
194 posts
Wish there was a way to meet people here live....like a DCski Happy Hour somewhere. I have a 3-bdrm/2-bath fully decorated (and maxed my Kohl's card) at Snowshoe (the Summit) and I let it sit empty. Steven King couldn't write horror stories like I hear from landlords there...trashed units, broken windows, fights, doors torn off. You can tell a "rental" from an "owner/occupied" just by opening the front door. If you rent, you need to outfit it with crap you won't mind seeing in the dumpster - half of your income goes to repairs and maintenance. True, in the Platinum units (maybe $500+ a night) there is a better clientele...but the larger 3-bdrms bring in groups. Oh - trust me - they have a widely held reputation = Church Youth Groups ARE THE WORST !!! I'd love to rent mine for next to nothing to someone I knew - but no strangers allowed. Anyone (from Charles Manson to a dozen 16 yo's) with a credit card can rent your place if you are in the Snowshoe Rental Program.

I remember years ago, there was a club that held a "mixer" pre-season to match up owners to renters...had name tags like "I need a place" and "I have a place". Wish DCski could do that sometime. Till then, mine stays locked & empty.
RyanC
March 20, 2006
Member since 11/28/2003 🔗
160 posts
I did the exact same thing. Bought a 1BR in Canaan two years ago with plans to rent it out. It's nicely furnished. After talking to several owners in the development, I quickly decided not to rent, since the expenses (mortgage, utilities, condo fees) aren't much more than a car payment anyway. A lot of owners did rent, but said most of their rental income went to 'untrashing' their units, so they just took them off the market.

I like to go up there every 2-3 weeks to enjoy Canaan and get away from Baltimore, and wouldn't sell my condo for anything. But...I wouldn't mind renting at a reasonable rate to people that I know wouldn't trash it.
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kwillg6
March 20, 2006
Member since 01/18/2005 🔗
2,034 posts
My wife and I bought our unit @ t-line 12 years ago and decided then we would not rent it. We also found out that it saves money, not only for the wear and tear factors, but with insurance and taxes. In Tucker County, you pay twice as much tax if your unit/house is an income procucing source. Go figure!
Rich
March 20, 2006
Member since 11/30/2000 🔗
194 posts
Here here ... looks like the "public" is it's own worst enemy! I like to open the door and find it the way I left it! We're doing a $1.5 million renno on The Summit @Snowshoe, new siding, windows/doors, walkways, landscaping, security cameras monitored 24 hr. and trying to mobilize the Owner/Occupants to oust the landlords and the "element" they bring in. I'm there every week and can attest to the fact that numerous times renters have indeed been evicted in the middle of the night. The Police escort them off the mountain and if they ever come back up will be spending the weekend all-expenses-paid in Marlinton if-U-know-what-I-mean!!! The new owners I've heard from agree - no renting to the Public.
warren
March 20, 2006
Member since 07/31/2003 🔗
485 posts
Rich,
It's a sad state of affairs when people have a total lack of respect for other people's property.
When I rent, I treat the unit like it was my own house.

-Warren-
Rich
March 20, 2006
Member since 11/30/2000 🔗
194 posts
Hey, My A-list is growing: warren , kwillg6 , RyanC , fishnski, skier219 .

We've just GOT to get some sort of Meet & Greet next Season. Anyone be down for Beach Ball this weekend? Maybe the 15 degree skiing got to me this weekend (slightly sore throat and cough this morning), but I'm gonna try - getting delivery of my new thin LCD flat panel (landscape shaped screen) I'm mounting on the wall there like another picture. Wonder what a bunch of drunken Renters could do to that --- throw darts at the test pattern. LOL ... Hey, wait, I'm not laughing!
snowcone
March 20, 2006
Member since 09/27/2002 🔗
589 posts
I think the comment that says it all here is 'the high end units' but even then you have problems.

On one of our Snowshoe trips this year we struck up a conversation on the Silver Creek bus with a homeowner. That conversation continued into dinner and was an eye-opener. The owner in question had purchased his one bedroom Rimfire unit as income property 2 years ago. Needless to say he was shocked at how little income the unit actually produced vis a vis the goldplated promises when he bought it. He also mentioned vandalism along with the great sucking sound heard from Intrawest as it took its 'service, housekeeping, any-way-we can-charge-you' fees. He practically begged us to rent his place at 25% under list and outside of the Intrawest rental program. I really felt sorry for the guy.

On the other hand; my sister's place in Park City was a one bedroom high end unit and she never had a problem with vandals. Her management company takes a reasonable amount and the mortage was 75% paid off (in 3 years!) when they sold the place last month.

I'm thinking maybe the problems at Snowshoe are because of Intrawest's lodging quality classification system. If you are renting a 'bronze' unit rather that a 'gold' unit, that might have something to do with it psychologically. I think just list the prices and amenities and leave it at that. If Rich wants to charge a 'gold' price for his unit, well that should be up to him, not Intrawest. I wonder, does anyone know if Seven Springs owners have similar problems?
nimrod
March 20, 2006
Member since 03/20/2006 🔗
1 posts
I Have a unit in Mountain Lodge that I have been renting through Snowshoe's rental program for 3 years and overall have been satisfied. The rental income has been better than expected and more than covers my expenses. I am also allowed to use it for personal use for 22 days. As far as damages from renters, my experience has not been bad. A few small items have been confiscated, however damage has been minimal (Mountain Lodge is rated silver on the rental program). Snowshoe is responsible for any damages; of course this is provided that housekeeping does a thorough job of evaluation during each cleaning. Routine upgrading is required in the off season (paint touch up, furninshing upgrades, etc.). This is of course accelerated since the unit is constantly rented. The upside is the tax break.
I will continue to use Snowshoe's rental program as long as the rent income outweighs the negatives. This year looks to be very good for rental income.
RyanC
March 20, 2006
Member since 11/28/2003 🔗
160 posts
One interesting this is, I know a few people who have place at the MD and DE beaches, and while they've had the standard wear and tear issues over the years, they've NEVER had any of the problems that us Canaan & Snowshoe owners have had re: renters. And to think, rental agencies in Ocean City, MD for example, charge under 15% commission, at Canaan it's over 30%!

There are three kinds of renters that I see in my development:

1) Loud, obnoxious, dirty trailer trash.
2) Large families with noisy, uncontrolled kids.
3) Drunk college kids.

At least we don't get many of the church groups since we're not right on the slopes.

And, no, I'm not a snob, but many owners (including me) in the development volunteer our time quite often to keep things looking good, and would rather not habe to deal with people that don't show respect for our property.

I wonder what it would take to get the rental agencies to enforce the rental agreements on their renters so we could just make a phone call and have them evicted?
The Colonel - DCSki Supporter
March 20, 2006
Member since 03/5/2004 🔗
3,107 posts
I am a little surprised by somewhat emotional comments I have seen in this topic re rental units at the Shoe. Through the years I have rented at the Shoe and never had a negative experience...whether it was at Allegheny, Rimfire, Vantage, Mountain Lodge, etc. And a good friend of mine has a unit at the Summit, and while there has been some minor damage from renters, he makes enough income from the property that it was pretty much paying for itself (at least until the recent enormous increase in Summit homeowners fees due to the renovations). This year it appears that some of the damage to his unit has come from the workers doing the renovations. Personally I want to leave a hotel room or other resort accommodation that I rent in the same condition I find it, less linens and other obvious housekeeping items. When I stayed at the Vantage Inn (units that formerly were a part of Whistle Punk) I was surprised to find a completely renovated unit with large plasma wall TV.
I found it interesting to learn that not all units in a complex are coded the same...for example, some Summit units are gold, some silver and some bronze. The ranking depends on the way the unit is furnished and its general condition. Want to upgrade to a higher level...then upgrade the items that the Intrawest inspection team deems necessary. Interestingly, according to my friend, just because your unit is rated higher does not change the rental rate at the complex, only the priority for deciding which units rent first. For what it is worth, I stayed with my friend at his Summit unit last weekend, and while there were a few surprises such as a broken fan/light globe, etc. By and large the unit was in the same shape it was prior to the winter season. As for a Summit homeowners revolt...the pace and quality workmanship of the new deck and siding renovation is incredibly awful, an apparently typical situation with renovations at many of the other complexes at Snowshoe. Unfortunate!!
But think what would happen if no one rented out their unit! No place to stay means virtually no skiers, especially midweek. So it seems to me that the various homeowners associations should gang up on the Intrawest folks demanding better inspection of units after each rental. Hopefully this would result in more and timely repairs to any damaged units.
Enjoy the great skiing to be had this weekend at Beach Party at the Shoe. Skiing was really sweet last weekend, especially on Cup.
The Colonel
Bill
March 20, 2006
Member since 01/5/2005 🔗
42 posts
The wife and I love going to Canaan for a week during ski season, or even a weekend at other times. But, the cost is absolutely prohibitive for us. The only time we can really afford it is at the very end of ski season after rates drop. We are in our 60's so we are not going to trash a place. We just want a reasonable rate that we can afford. I think a get together off season would be a great idea to get to know each other.

Cheers,

Bill
skier219
March 20, 2006
Member since 01/8/2005 🔗
1,318 posts
Quote:


There are three kinds of renters that I see in my development:

1) Loud, obnoxious, dirty trailer trash.
2) Large families with noisy, uncontrolled kids.
3) Drunk college kids.





We encountered #2 on our trip to Snowshoe in February, and it was annoying. Sounded like the kids were stomping up and down the stairs all the time while beating the tar out of each other, and the parents were loud too. I was amazed at how noisy some families can be. It reminded my wife and I how much it used to suck to live in apartments where you may have noisy neighbors. Maybe we were lucky that the condo we stayed in (PowderMonkey) was an end unit!! Could have been worse if we got it from both sides!

Anyway, if anyone here has a condo they want to rent to caring tenants, definitely sign me up. I'll even bring tools and do work if I can help out! (I come from a carpenter/builder/architect family and have done it all over the years). We'd like nothing more than to rent a dependable, nice, clean unit from a conscientious owner.

Craig
Rich
March 21, 2006
Member since 11/30/2000 🔗
194 posts
Who needs Snowshoe Rental - look at my A-list:
warren, kwillg6 ,RyanC, fishnski, skier219, snowcone ,nimrod ,The Colonel, Bill.

I would be happy with 50% of the rental rate for you all. Some talk about normal wear & tear and light damage (LIGHT if you're lucky)...hell - I don't want ANY damage to my unit. RyanC's top 3 list really nails it! #4 can be the Church Youth Groups. The "chaperones" all stay together in one end unit and the kids run wild down the rest of the building. Yes, Summits are different "ratings" which just means a higher rating gets rented first - but - the clientele is more based on the rate of rent, and, a large 3-bdrm 2-bath draws the wrong clientele. That's why more and more are becoming owner/occupants renting to people they know, not the public. This Fall there were a bunch of hunters on the 3rd floor ... picture a deer draining blood in your shower!

Hope to see a pre-season Meet & Greet somewhere next year.
kennedy
March 21, 2006
Member since 12/8/2001 🔗
792 posts
I have to imagine a lot of it is that people renting from Snowshoe forget or don't realize that Snowshoe doesn't own the property they are staying in. As a result they don't care if they wreck because they figure Snowshoe can afford to fix whatever they trash. In my Snowshoe days, not getting into that again, I rented from Snowshoe and also from Spruce Realty and always made sure that everyone my group, in some cases up to 16 people in 2 units, understood the rules and that these are mostly independently owned and that if anything is trashed it comes off my card. Therefore if you trash anything you ultimately answer to me and I don't like losing money. As a result we had a great time but were sure to leave everything clean and in good shape. Generally all housekeeping would have to do is take away trash and change the sheets.

It would be nice if they kept a frequent renters membership. The more you rent the better the discounts you get provided you keep a clean record with no complaints, issues or breakages.
snowcone
March 21, 2006
Member since 09/27/2002 🔗
589 posts
Hear, hear .. for frequent -responsible- renters discounts. We could go for that.

As I said earlier, this season is probably our last at SS; I just talked to Sheila our reservations gal concerning some SS charges on my plastic. I guess I didn't realize how much the rates have gone up this year even with the 20% discount we get; 4 nights 1 bedroom condo at Rimfire was $935 with discount (1170 without). We just got back from Tahoe and a 2 bedroom 2.5 bath townhouse for $1230 for 9 nights. Viva la difference! Sheila says the rates are going up even higher next year; 10% this year, another 10% next year? I know Rich wants to make money on his place but SS is pricing itself right out of -our- business.

Very depressing.

We really, really enjoy SS but the bang for the ski buck there is getting to be at par with a trip west including airfare (good ol' Southwest $175 RT BWI-RNO)
pagamony - DCSki Supporter
March 21, 2006
Member since 02/23/2005 🔗
838 posts
Hey wait a minute! I have a wife and 3 kids (12,10,4). My kids are in church youth groups and scouts. I've got to say this generalization is a little overgeneralized. We often leave places in better shape than we find them and I tend to fix things so I don't have to sit around and do nothing when the slopes close.

I think the SS pricing is heinous at best; however, while for me to go out west is a pittance, for all 5 it is a king's ransom.

so please, don't be haters on all of us.

-Dave

PS: i might be looking for a SS place for mar 30 - apr 2. the package deals don't work out real well since my wife and 4 yr old don't yet ski much. help a brother out

PSS: I think the answer is yurts. stop this high end development and go back to shacks. whoever said skiing was supposed to be a luxury experience? its outdoors in the winter for goodness sake!
davis
March 21, 2006
Member since 01/20/2005 🔗
21 posts
If you or anyone on this list would like to rent a place from us, I know we have some openings throughout the rest of the season. Just let me know if you are interested, through this site or directly.

I know this post is not a place to advertise, but I thought I would reply to the inquiries. Our webiste is www.snowshoemountain.net

I did look for DCSkiers on Cupp last weekend, but did not see anyone. I was looking for the pin.

Davis
kwillg6
March 21, 2006
Member since 01/18/2005 🔗
2,034 posts
Davis, that pin is really too small to spot when one is bombing the cupp. There were a lot of us at t-line for luau, though. Skier219, there is one more type that I have experienced over the years and those would be the SAB's (self-righteous, arrogant, ba#@%*&s). Those are the ones who don't mind how much they inconvenience other renters or homeowners as long as they get what they want or need. Personally, they belong anywhere I'm not.
skier219
March 21, 2006
Member since 01/8/2005 🔗
1,318 posts
Quote:

Hey wait a minute! I have a wife and 3 kids (12,10,4). My kids are in church youth groups and scouts. I've got to say this generalization is a little overgeneralized. We often leave places in better shape than we find them and I tend to fix things so I don't have to sit around and do nothing when the slopes close.

I think the SS pricing is heinous at best; however, while for me to go out west is a pittance, for all 5 it is a king's ransom.

so please, don't be haters on all of us.

-Dave

PS: i might be looking for a SS place for mar 30 - apr 2. the package deals don't work out real well since my wife and 4 yr old don't yet ski much. help a brother out





It's true you can't generalize -- there are definitely families and groups out there with nice/polite/well-behaved kids. I always enjoy skiing with kids like that. On the other hand, I have also run into my share of oblivious parents with out of control kids, and it's kind of scary to see that scene in action.

Anyway, having met Dave and his daughter one day at Wintergreen, I would say they definitely fall into the good/nice/polite category. So Dave, no need for you to stick up for the whole lot! I'd say you're exactly the kind of family/group people want to rent to. If anyone needs a character reference, I can vouch that Dave has good taste in ski equipment

One limitation with snowshoe is that they price their ski/lodging packages based on the number of skiers equalling the minimum occupancy of a unit. In peak season, it can be awful expensive to stay/ski there when that condition doesn't match up. However, this time of year -- in their "Almost Heaven" value season, the prices are a lot more reasonable because the lift tickets are either free or add very little to the package. So even if a couple tickets go unused, it's not going to be a big impact as long as you have a majority skiing.

Heck, if I happen to be up there solo during that timeframe, I'll buy an extra ticket off you!
Rich
March 21, 2006
Member since 11/30/2000 🔗
194 posts
"they price their ski/lodging packages based on the number of skiers equalling the minimum occupancy of a unit."

Wait a minute, talk about getting screwed. What if 3 people (that want their own space) rent a Summit 3-bedroom. It's rated for 8 - what do they pay? We need to open a DCski rental clearing house of our own!
skier219
March 21, 2006
Member since 01/8/2005 🔗
1,318 posts
Quote:

"they price their ski/lodging packages based on the number of skiers equalling the minimum occupancy of a unit."

Wait a minute, talk about getting screwed. What if 3 people (that want their own space) rent a Summit 3-bedroom. It's rated for 8 - what do they pay? We need to open a DCski rental clearing house of our own!




Yeah, the pricing does not work out well for single skiers of any sort of number, whether it's one single person or a group of singles. If you're in pairs willing to share a bed, then the deals are better.

An example -- I could have got a studio in Expedition station for two nights this week, with two lift tickets, for $329. With a couple, that works out to $82 per person per night, which is not bad for lodging and skiing (not great either, but not bad for slopeside at a ski resort). However, I would pay the same $329 if I went there by myself, and that's a lousy deal. They don't cut prices for less than min occupancy, so you get hosed if you're not filling up the beds.
Murphy
March 21, 2006
Member since 09/13/2004 🔗
618 posts
I've never stayed at a motel that did give me a discount for staying by myself. The only way you get screwed is on the tickets. For that you can always get the room without the tickets and buy discount tickets elsewhere. Or better yet, you can re-sell the extra tickets. I assume they don't have a problem with that.
skier219
March 21, 2006
Member since 01/8/2005 🔗
1,318 posts
Quote:

I've never stayed at a motel that did give me a discount for staying by myself. The only way you get screwed is on the tickets. For that you can always get the room without the tickets and buy discount tickets elsewhere. Or better yet, you can re-sell the extra tickets. I assume they don't have a problem with that.




That $329 deal (lodging + 2 tickets for 2 days) would be $256 without tickets. Add just two day tickets to that and you'd be up $336! So it's either a great deal for two people or a lousy deal for one. I think selling the extra ticket would be the best option... not sure if it's legal, but I know people do it all the time.
pagamony - DCSki Supporter
March 21, 2006
Member since 02/23/2005 🔗
838 posts
Quote:


Anyway, having met Dave and his daughter one day at Wintergreen, I would say they definitely fall into the good/nice/polite category. So Dave, no need for you to stick up for the whole lot! I'd say you're exactly the kind of family/group people want to rent to. If anyone needs a character reference, I can vouch that Dave has good taste in ski equipment
...
Heck, if I happen to be up there solo during that timeframe, I'll buy an extra ticket off you!




Thanks bro. Likewise, I'll vouch for the man with the new fat twins - we've always got a room for you at the fantasy lodge. I'll let you know about next next wkend, but first I have to make this side trip to kirkwood
Murphy
March 22, 2006
Member since 09/13/2004 🔗
618 posts
Quote:

Thanks bro. Likewise, I'll vouch for the man with the new fat twins - we've always got a room for you at the fantasy lodge.




That's a sentence you probably don't want taken out of context.
pagamony - DCSki Supporter
March 22, 2006
Member since 02/23/2005 🔗
838 posts
Quote:

Quote:

Thanks bro. Likewise, I'll vouch for the man with the new fat twins - we've always got a room for you at the fantasy lodge.




That's a sentence you probably don't want taken out of context.




true, but I couldn't resist the wordplay...

edit: but not the way you are thinking
skier219
March 22, 2006
Member since 01/8/2005 🔗
1,318 posts
Yeah, let's not overanalyze the post, I got the intended meaning. However, the real interesting part:

Quote:

but first I have to make this side trip to kirkwood




That will be an awesome "side trip" for sure. Actually, I suspect you'll view the whole east coast season as a side trip to Kirkwood!
pagamony - DCSki Supporter
March 22, 2006
Member since 02/23/2005 🔗
838 posts
Going to san francisco for work next week and it just happens that a friend's brother's wife's family has a condo and .... so it is a side trip.

i'm not expecting much, they are only reporting 149 (that's one hundred and forty nine) inches of new snow.
Ullr
March 22, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
Just got back from Tahoe last week. Conditions were awful. Some nights we only got 6 - 10 inches of snow! Couple that with the sunny skys, great views and huge verticle, it hardly makes it worth the trip.
snowcone
March 22, 2006
Member since 09/27/2002 🔗
589 posts
I don't know where you were at Tahoe but on the south end of the lake it would snow a 3-6 inches just about every night and then we skied in sometimes white out conditions during the day. Yup. 6-10 minimum every day ... generally a lot more. Yup. A real hardship. It was the very best trip EVER! Perfect conditions! Driving back and forth to the resorts got really harrowing a couple of times but worth the trips to Sierra and Kirkwood. For Squaw we had to go around the eastern end of the lake. Every time CA DOT could get 89 (the western road around Emerald Bay) open, it would dump and the road would be impassable; it was closed the whole time we were there.
Ullr
March 22, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
Yea, I think you left right when I got there. Flew into SAC on the 8th and drove to south lake. Stayed in the Travel Lodge - Stateline. Nice place, decent breakfast, clean. It was right across the street from Tahoe Tom's gas station, and walking distance to the gondola. Skied Kirkwood on the 9th, drive was not bad. Skied the 10th & 11th at Heavenly. Left on the 12th for Truckee, and stayed at the Best Western. Killer free breakfast! Omlets, sausage, bacon, breakfast burritos, & anything else you could want. Skied Monday at Squaw. Then Tuesday was just a blizzard. This pic was taken about 1/2 way through the storm



Got over 3ft total from it. Skied Weds at Northstar & Thursday at Alpine. 89 around Emerald Bay was closed the entire time we were there.

Where all did you hit? Any pics yet?

I was shocked at how bad they were at driving in the snow! An inch on the road and they were chaining up and driving at 20mph.
Ullr
March 22, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
Oh yea, Northstar offers free advanced ski lessons at 1:30 & 3 everyday. 8 per class. I did it one day. Of the 8 in my class, 4 of us were from VA or MD!
Ullr
March 22, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
Looks rough, doesn't it.......................

RyanC
March 23, 2006
Member since 11/28/2003 🔗
160 posts
Quote:

"they price their ski/lodging packages based on the number of skiers equalling the minimum occupancy of a unit."

Wait a minute, talk about getting screwed. What if 3 people (that want their own space) rent a Summit 3-bedroom. It's rated for 8 - what do they pay? We need to open a DCski rental clearing house of our own!




Rich,
I really like your idea. I wouldn't mind renting my place out to people I was 99% sure would leave it in the condition it was when they walked in. I'd take 1/2 the price the rental agencies charge if I could be pretty sure I was renting to responsible people. Just to help offset ownership costs a bit. We should really try to get something like this going for next year. I'd certainly be willing to help plan a DCSki rental & owner meetup event.
snowcone
March 23, 2006
Member since 09/27/2002 🔗
589 posts
Quote:


Where all did you hit? Any pics yet?

I was shocked at how bad they were at driving in the snow! An inch on the road and they were chaining up and driving at 20mph.




We flew out Friday March 3rd and back Sunday March 12 ... 8 days of terrific skiing. We did 3-4 days at Heavenly, 1 at Sierra (my favorite) 2 at Kirkwood and 1 at Squaw. I had forgotten how Heavenly on weekends is total zoo and by mid day most of the runs on the NV side were all moguled up. I ski Heavenly for the groomers so I was not a particularly happy camper. Squaw seemed to take for ever to get to and was in a whole lot better shape than the last time we were there 4 years ago. Unfortunately we had to leave early as the day's storm blew in; we had to quit because the winds were killer scouring the slopes down to the really hard stuff, plus you simply couldn't see. Sierra and Kirkwood were awesome. Heavy snows all 3 days we skied them. It was great ... powder just kept renewing itself throughout the day, so even later in the afternoon you could still find trail side and tree stashes to ski. I liked Sierra best of all; it has a homey locals feel to it and is much more relaxed than Kirkwood or the other 'destination' resorts. There were LOTS of stashes at Sierra and never had to wait for a lift. As a matter of fact the only place that had lift lines was Heavenly and those reminded me of Ballhooter. I understand that the Thursday we went to Sierra, Heavenly had to close most of their lifts because of the high winds. We got a few truly serious gusts at Sierra, which is considered protected, so I can imagine what it must have been like at Heavenly.

All in all, it was one of the best trips ever. We decided to hang it up for the season when we got home. After such awesome powder it seemed anti-climatical to ski our local slurpies. Its always better to end on a high note.

I'll try to get some piccies up this weekend.

I also want to mention crazy Phil and his bunch of nut cases at Ski Renter on Ski Run Drive. As soon as we got to SLT and saw the weather reports we headed out to find some rental powder skis. All of the regular places had lines out the door. At one of the bigger shops, one of the regulars recommended we check out Phil down the hill. It worked out really well. Phil took great care of us and got us kitted out with 1080 Foils. Wow those were perfect skis for the conditions. Phil works day and skis the rest; what a life!! For future reference its www.skirenter.com ...

On the 1080 Foils .. anyone have any comments? experience? recommended purchase? I'll cross post this under equipment too.


As far as driving; the law out there says you have to chain up if you do not have 4wd + snowtires Even with 4wd you are required to carry chains in the car. The days we went to Kirkwood and Sierra and the night we arrived, the highway patrol had chain stops and if you weren't kitted out correctly they turned you back. They don't play games out there. Since DOT does not uses chemicals on the roads you had better be able to drive on snow because the plows only scrape off the big stuff and never down to the roadbed like around here. If the locals are driving 20 mph there probably are some darn good reasons to.
Ullr
March 23, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
No chemicals? Our Jeep was absolutly covered with salt when we got back to SAC. We were at Heavenly on Sat too. I didn't really think the lines were that long at the lift, but that lodge at the top of the gondola was a nightmare at noon! Never seen anything like it. Wanted to go to Sierra, but never made it. the wife likes the groomers too, and loved Northstar. They are sister resorts, so maybe there are a little similar. She hated Sqaw. Just too much intimidation for her. Anyway, glad you had a good time. looking forward to some pics!
snowcone
March 23, 2006
Member since 09/27/2002 🔗
589 posts
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No chemicals? Our Jeep was absolutly covered with salt when we got back to SAC. We were at Heavenly on Sat too. I didn't really think the lines were that long at the lift, but that lodge at the top of the gondola was a nightmare at noon! Never seen anything like it. Wanted to go to Sierra, but never made it. the wife likes the groomers too, and loved Northstar. They are sister resorts, so maybe there are a little similar. She hated Sqaw. Just too much intimidation for her. Anyway, glad you had a good time. looking forward to some pics!




I am pretty sure road chemicals are not allowed in the park areas. Makes sense. With the amount of snow the Sierras get yearly, the runoff is major and the destruction to the ecosystem that those chems could do would be catastrophic. Sierra and Kirkwood are partially on public park lands and you have to go thru park areas to get to them, so, no chems. On the other hand I saw a lot of DOT trucks with sand. You came up from Sacramento so maybe the salt you saw was from city streets.

BTW .. how was the drive from SAC? I know Jet Blue flies non-stop to SAC which would be a lot nicer than traipsing across half the west with Southwest.
Ullr
March 23, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
eactly 100 miles straight shot on I 80 to truckee. No problems. To get to south lake you take route 50, and little more twists and turns but still a pretty drive.
JohnL
March 23, 2006
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
3,518 posts
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eactly 100 miles straight shot on I 80 to truckee. No problems. To get to south lake you take route 50, and little more twists and turns but still a pretty drive.





Don't you have to go over Donner Pass? IIRC, it's subject to closures during heavy storms, plus the local diet can be a bit different.
jimmy
March 23, 2006
Member since 03/5/2004 🔗
2,650 posts
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.............Don't you have to go over Donner Pass? IIRC, it's subject to closures during heavy storms, plus the local diet can be a bit different.




JohnL i think the local diet is pretty much the same all winter .
comprex
March 23, 2006
Member since 04/11/2003 🔗
1,326 posts
jimmy, it says Senior Member, yet I had no idea how senior.
Roger Z
March 23, 2006
Member since 01/16/2004 🔗
2,181 posts
There's a statue that sits near Donner Pass. It's in honor of the Donner Pass folks (surprise surprise). The pedestal for the statue is 32 feet high... why?

Trivia time!
snowcone
March 23, 2006
Member since 09/27/2002 🔗
589 posts
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There's a statue that sits near Donner Pass. It's in honor of the Donner Pass folks (surprise surprise). The pedestal for the statue is 32 feet high... why?






thats how high the snow gets?
JimK - DCSki Columnist
March 23, 2006
Member since 01/14/2004 🔗
2,723 posts
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There's a statue that sits near Donner Pass. It's in honor of the Donner Pass folks (surprise surprise). The pedestal for the statue is 32 feet high... why?

Trivia time!



That's how many people they had over for dinner.
Ullr
March 23, 2006
Member since 11/27/2004 🔗
531 posts
I 80 over Donner Summit is not a bad drive at all. Did it in a snowstorm. It is the primary route between Reno and Sacramento, so it gets all the attention of CalTran. The drive to Snowshoe is worse...............

And it's 22 feet high, not 32.
fishnski
March 24, 2006
Member since 03/27/2005 🔗
3,530 posts
They ate 22 feet?..this winter up there would be of the kind that would have stranded a few folks during the day. What about that family that spent a few weeks stranded in Oregon...they had plenty of food stashed I understand,or else Grandma wouldn't have made it out safely!
Roger Z
March 24, 2006
Member since 01/16/2004 🔗
2,181 posts
The pedestal is 22 feet high? I could have sworn they said it was 32 feet high... well, it doesn't affect the trivia answer anyway.

ANSWER: that was the depth of snow that trapped the Donner Party up there for the winter. It's kind of eerie to look up and imagine snow being that deep for miles, I've seen some deep stuff before but nothing as high as that.

Another interesting bit of trivia: up in Houghton, Michigan they have a telephone pole that every year they mark off the deepest snow for the winter (this is not far from Mount Bohemia, a mountain with seriously waycool attitude). Most of the marks, if I remember correctly, are in the 10-15 foot range, but sitting off all by its lonesome way up at the top is a marker for a 31 foot depth recorded a few decades ago.

Most of the Chesapeake Bay isn't 31 feet deep!
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