Roundtop / Whitetail / Liberty
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dukegrad96
one month ago (edited one month ago)
Member since 10/21/2020 🔗
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So we hit 2 of the 3 this weekend. Saturday was at Roundtop and Sunday at Whitetail. I heard from someone that Liberty had good conditions but little open. The only run off the top was Dispsy Doodle.  Here's my reviews of the others....

******************** WHITETAIL ***************

Opening day was Sunday. Weather was great. Got a little warm and slushy by 2 pm (about 38-39 degrees). 

All 5 lifts in the front including the magic carpet were running. 

Trails:

Beginner area: Northern Lights, Velvet, Almost Home all open. These runs are very flat except bottom of Northern Lights and great for learning to ski. 

EZ Rider Quad: only Sidewinder was open. This is the best green run between Liberty / Whitetail / Roundtop IMO. Snow was good and it wasn’t too crowded in the afternoon. 

Whitetail Express Quad: I didn’t get over there today with the youngest, but looked like all that was open was Angel Drop into Homerun or Jib Junction. The line for the quad was longest about 11 am and was probably 5-7 minutes. 

Staff were great: masks all worn properly. They handed out a piece of paper when driving in that discussed the social distancing and mask protocols and we were told to make sure to change at the car. Staff were asking people to mask if not compliant. They were scanning for passes as you walked up to the lodge area and asked if you had a reservation when you arrived.

Skier mask compliance: I didn’t really see any people not wearing masks in line or the base area. Well done all!

****************************** ROUNDTOP *********************

Got to Roundtop on Saturday about 9:45 and the lower lot was already full. The most crowded part of the day was from then until 12. Lift lines were at most 5-6 minutes. 

Snow conditions were decent. A little crusty when we first arrived and slightly icy towards 4 but overall not bad. 

4 lifts open

Beginner area: Fife and Drum, Fanny Hill, Dummer Boy, Powderhorn all open. This is a really good beginner area. None of the runs are too flat or too steep. 

Mid mountain: Minuteman, Lafayette’s Leap and Susquehanna all open and not real crowded. Snow was decent.

A number of people who tried to bring bags of gear to change into. There were staff who turned people around and sent them back to the car, but it would have been better to let people know when they entered the parking area like Whitetail was doing. 

LOT of sloppy mask wearing including exposed noses or not earing them at all. Some staff politely asked people to mask up but people took their masks back down after passing through the scanners. Also there were no indicators where to stand in the lift line for social distancing. Often people were right in top of us. 

Afternoon that was less of an issue as crowds thinned. My daughter and I started turning laps and finished with 22 runs and over 6000 vertical feet in just under 5 hours of skiing! 👍

VaTech2k
22 days ago
Member since 02/13/2018 🔗
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I hit Whitetail today for the first time of the season.  Mask enforcement in the lift lines was rather lacking (I was at Snowshoe last week and they did not mess around with this policy).  Their full focus appeared to be on preventing people from congregating in the lodge.  From the chatter it sounds like it was a result of complying with their governor's orders.  Snow was decent, but judging by the snow making and wales, I thought that Fanciful, Exhibition, and Drop in should have been opened by now.  It is nice that the RFID is now working with their scanners.  I can finally keep my pass in my pocket!
marzNC - DCSki Supporter
21 days ago
Member since 12/10/2008 🔗
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Did Roundtop or Liberty used to have webcams on their websites?

Looking at the Whitetail webcams this afternoon, didn't look too crowded.  Can see lift lines.  Saw snowmaking happening on the trails off the Expert lift.

Scott - DCSki Editor
21 days ago
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marzNC wrote:

Did Roundtop or Liberty used to have webcams on their websites?

Looking at the Whitetail webcams this afternoon, didn't look too crowded.  Can see lift lines.  Saw snowmaking happening on the trails off the Expert lift.

 They did.  But the pages they were located at (here and here) both say "mountain cameras are currently unavailable."  Hopefully they become available soon as they're an important tool for gauging conditions at the slopes.

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bob
21 days ago (edited 21 days ago)
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Vail has been scootchy about webcams since the virus started.

At one point shortly after everything was shut down in March, someone climbed the mountain at Beaver Creek and posted a sign with disparaging comments about Vail where it could be seen from the snow stake cam at BC.

Shortly thereafter, webcams at all Vail properties became inoperative.

dukegrad96
18 days ago
Member since 10/21/2020 🔗
18 posts

Updates:

12/29 - afternoon / early evening at Liberty - lift lines were about 10 minutes, staff doing a good job asking people to mask, conditions were icy and bare and then they blew snow and it was slushy on the ice. Got hit by someone of control on Dipsy. 

12/31 - Whitetail - snowpark and Fanciful have opened but cover on Homerun has gotten very thin. Exhibition is also open but the expert choice quad shut down. They need to get a new park. Supposedly it will open by 1/2, maybe 1/1. Conditions were good for the runs that were open except the bare spots. Much of snow on lift on and off ramps is very thin. They need a storm of a series of cold days and nights.

1/1 - Roundtop - just a quick day there before the rain. More of RT is open than Liberty or WT including all the greens, Lafayette’s Leap (crusty / icy moguls in the Upper), Minuteman (bare on top), Recruit, Susquehanna, Exhibition and Ramrod. Gunbarrel & Ramrod triple not open. 

dukegrad96
18 days ago
Member since 10/21/2020 🔗
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Lift lines and rental lines have been long. Epic is no longer doing old fashioned lift tickets, they are doing RFID cards. So when they have a lot of people there for the first time or who didn’t keep their RFID cards, the ticket line gets crazy. 

Keep your RFID cards because you can then load them for future visits online. 
marzNC - DCSki Supporter
18 days ago
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dukegrad96 wrote:

Lift lines and rental lines have been long. Epic is no longer doing old fashioned lift tickets, they are doing RFID cards. So when they have a lot of people there for the first time or who didn’t keep their RFID cards, the ticket line gets crazy. 

Keep your RFID cards because you can then load them for future visits online. 

 Do you know if the former Snowtime locations are now in EpicMix?

SereneOrchid
14 days ago
Member since 01/5/2021 🔗
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My husband went to Whitetail last week and encountered the 2+ hr to get his lift ticket.  I'm taking my kids solo on Monday 1/11 -- do you think the lines will still be as bad? Does anyone know if that was a holiday week issue or is it like that all the time now?  I wonder if I could go drive during the weekend and get my lift tickets in person ahead of time.  
RodneyBD - DCSki Supporter
14 days ago
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Not a Whitetail issue, it's a Vail Resorts issue.  I was at Mt Snow New Year's day, had to check on one of our passes at the window, thank god I was in line before 10am, they had one window open and 25 people in line.  When I left the line had grown to 50+ plus, many of whom we're picking up their epic cards, or had problems with their pass, etc etc.  And the Vail CEO has already sent out an "apology" email to epic pass holders about the hours long waiting times for the 800 customer service line.  
powday
14 days ago
Member since 01/6/2014 🔗
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Monday 1/11 you should not have any issues with long waits in a ticket line or a rental line. The key to avoiding the lines at Whitetail on the weekend is to get to the mountain early. It is amazing how fast the rental line goes from 5-10 people in the queue at 9:30ish to 100+ at 10:30ish. 

SereneOrchid wrote:

My husband went to Whitetail last week and encountered the 2+ hr to get his lift ticket.  I'm taking my kids solo on Monday 1/11 -- do you think the lines will still be as bad? Does anyone know if that was a holiday week issue or is it like that all the time now?  I wonder if I could go drive during the weekend and get my lift tickets in person ahead of time.  
wgo
14 days ago
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Not to be that person that weighs in with an opinion when he has never been to the resort in question, but in this case I am confident in saying that things will be less busy on 1/11. The week between Christmas and New Year's is always busy at our local resorts.
SereneOrchid
14 days ago
Member since 01/5/2021 🔗
3 posts
Thanks wgo and powday!  I will try my best to get my kids out of the door as early as possible.  
Bijan
14 days ago
Member since 01/16/2018 🔗
8 posts

On New Year’s Day, there was one person ahead of me to get my RFID card at Whitetail. Process took me a couple of minutes (which would add up with 20-30 person queues).

For you, a non-holiday Monday will be quiet. I doubt you and your kids will have to deal with any lines at all, have fun. 

If you can, check out their mountain cams to get an idea of the weekday crowds in the morning. That will alleviate any concerns of 2 hour lines :)

wgo
14 days ago
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Good luck! Mine are at the age where they can manage their own gear but we have certainly had some adventures in the past trying to get out the door on time!

SereneOrchid wrote:

Thanks wgo and powday!  I will try my best to get my kids out of the door as early as possible.  
SereneOrchid
14 days ago
Member since 01/5/2021 🔗
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 LOL! I dream of the day I will no longer be a pack mule!  The 11 year old carries his own stuff, but I have a 5 and 9 year olds too.  Still, every season I am getting slightly closer.

wgo wrote:


Good luck! Mine are at the age where they can manage their own gear but we have certainly had some adventures in the past trying to get out the door on time!

SereneOrchid wrote:

Thanks wgo and powday!  I will try my best to get my kids out of the door as early as possible.  
marzNC - DCSki Supporter
13 days ago
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RodneyBD wrote:

Not a Whitetail issue, it's a Vail Resorts issue.  I was at Mt Snow New Year's day, had to check on one of our passes at the window, thank god I was in line before 10am, they had one window open and 25 people in line.  When I left the line had grown to 50+ plus, many of whom we're picking up their epic cards, or had problems with their pass, etc etc.  And the Vail CEO has already sent out an "apology" email to epic pass holders about the hours long waiting times for the 800 customer service line.  

 Perhaps a bit of both for Whitetail.  It's the first season that an Epic pass is the only option for a "season pass" for the former Snowtime locations.

People not getting Epic cards in the mail was definitely an issue during early season as well as during the holidays for people who started their season then.  That applied to all regions.

rbrtlav
13 days ago
Member since 12/2/2008 🔗
500 posts
I would guess the only times this will be a problem the rest of the reason are going to be MLK and presidents weekend. If you are going one of those weekends I’d try and get a card beforehand.

I’ve been to all 3 former snowtime resorts (6 days between the 3) and the only line I’ve seen more than 10 minutes was the ski rental line at Liberty on 12/27. Rental shops have capacity set by the state right now; they are asking you to fill out paperwork outside and the lockers aren’t available... so not sure how much else they can do. 
dukegrad96
7 days ago
Member since 10/21/2020 🔗
18 posts
If you plan to go multiple days, they will let you take extra copies of the rental paperwork to fill out at home before you go on the future days. 
dukegrad96
7 days ago
Member since 10/21/2020 🔗
18 posts

My 8 yo carries her own gear and my 6 yo can walk anywhere in his boots and carry his skis  

the straps for skis and poles for kids make carrying equipment much easier  

Keep at it! 👍

SereneOrchid wrote:


 LOL! I dream of the day I will no longer be a pack mule!  The 11 year old carries his own stuff, but I have a 5 and 9 year olds too.  Still, every season I am getting slightly closer.

wgo wrote:


Good luck! Mine are at the age where they can manage their own gear but we have certainly had some adventures in the past trying to get out the door on time!

SereneOrchid wrote:

Thanks wgo and powday!  I will try my best to get my kids out of the door as early as possible.  

 

Bdw611
5 days ago
Member since 02/29/2016 🔗
42 posts
Does anyone else feel like there should be more tails open at Whitetail this time of the year given the opportunities for snowmaking? Maybe it is just me.
RodneyBD - DCSki Supporter
5 days ago
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Super disappointing upper Strata/Ultra/Eastwind not open at Liberty.  I'd be pretty steamed if I had an Epic pass.  Welcome to the world of Vail Bean Counting.  FACT: Snow Time would have had all three runs open by now.
itdoesntmatter
5 days ago
Member since 01/17/2007 🔗
119 posts
Whitetail still doesn't have Farside or Bold Decision open yet...I haven't been there yet this season.  I don't want to spend $64 on a night ticket unless more is open.  Are they blowing snow on those slopes?
rbrtlav
4 days ago
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500 posts

itdoesntmatter wrote:

Whitetail still doesn't have Farside or Bold Decision open yet...I haven't been there yet this season.  I don't want to spend $64 on a night ticket unless more is open.  Are they blowing snow on those slopes?

 On Sunday bold decision and limelight both had a decent start on them, farside was grass.

JimK - DCSki Columnist
4 days ago
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It's not just around here.  I'm hearing similar complaints about their places in NH such as Wildcat and Attitash.  Crazy thought, could they actually be trying to throttle the number of visitors to reduce the risk of an outbreak?? 

RodneyBD wrote:

Super disappointing upper Strata/Ultra/Eastwind not open at Liberty.  I'd be pretty steamed if I had an Epic pass.  Welcome to the world of Vail Bean Counting.  FACT: Snow Time would have had all three runs open by now.
marzNC - DCSki Supporter
4 days ago
Member since 12/10/2008 🔗
2,322 posts

JimK wrote:


It's not just around here.  I'm hearing similar complaints about their places in NH such as Wildcat and Attitash.  Crazy thought, could they actually be trying to throttle the number of visitors to reduce the risk of an outbreak?? 

RodneyBD wrote:

Super disappointing upper Strata/Ultra/Eastwind not open at Liberty.  I'd be pretty steamed if I had an Epic pass.  Welcome to the world of Vail Bean Counting.  FACT: Snow Time would have had all three runs open by now.

Have also seen comments that Mt. Brighton near Detroit has been last to open compared to the other three ski areas that are day trip distance.  VR bought Mt. Brighton and Afton Alps in 2012.

Total guess, but I wonder if staffing for snowmaking is also an issue.


Bdw611
4 days ago
Member since 02/29/2016 🔗
42 posts
I hadn’t really thought about it as a financial strategy. If they have to reduce capacity then that means reduced revenue. That could be a big reason 25%ish of the trails are not open. 
rbrtlav
4 days ago (edited 4 days ago)
Member since 12/2/2008 🔗
500 posts

Bold decision is open at whitetail this morning.

They are definitely throttling guest, whether by design or not. There are several sold out weekend days I’ve had reservations and shown up at 3 or 4 in the afternoon and by that time things have been mostly empty. Saying reservations aren’t needed after 3 probably would have worked for the east coast resorts. 

I will say I don’t think they are overly throttling snow making though, one of the last years snow time owned them they didn’t even open until January 7th due to weather. Although it hasn’t been overly warm, there has been very little day time chances to make snow. I think New England has also had some nasty rain.

edit: bold decision is not open... guess I read that before coffee 

dukegrad96
3 days ago
Member since 10/21/2020 🔗
18 posts

It's been above 32 even at night  

it's supposed to be cooler this week and next weekend, hope they can make some snow  

Bdw611 wrote:

Does anyone else feel like there should be more tails open at Whitetail this time of the year given the opportunities for snowmaking? Maybe it is just me.

 

Baltimore1
2 days ago
Member since 03/13/2019 🔗
6 posts
Anyone have current conditions report for Roundtop or Liberty?  I was at RT last Thursday when it was relatively warm and there were plenty of thin/bare spots.  
zag33
yesterday
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Liberty has few blues runs open but good coverage on what is open. Snow is variable but generally good, but gets sugary as the day goes on. Lots of skiers on partially open mountain making interesting skiing late in the day.

Only way off the top of the backside is Heavenly, to Whitney's or Lower Ultra. Lower Heavenly open but had thin cover signs out today down the middle. All of the front is open.

Mongo
19 hours ago
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In theory, if you go to SL in PA from the DC area, you have to have had a COVID test within 72 hours or do a 2 week quarantine. I’m guessing that’s being ignored and not enforced by SL?
bousquet19 - DCSki Supporter
17 hours ago
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Mongo wrote:

In theory, if you go to SL in PA from the DC area, you have to have had a COVID test within 72 hours or do a 2 week quarantine. I’m guessing that’s being ignored and not enforced by SL?

 SL?  

Sorry, I don't recognize the abbr.  

Woody

Mongo
12 hours ago
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bousquet19 wrote:

Mongo wrote:

In theory, if you go to SL in PA from the DC area, you have to have had a COVID test within 72 hours or do a 2 week quarantine. I’m guessing that’s being ignored and not enforced by SL?

 SL?  

Sorry, I don't recognize the abbr.  

Woody

 SL = Ski Liberty

bousquet19 - DCSki Supporter
4 hours ago
Member since 02/23/2006 🔗
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Mongo wrote:

bousquet19 wrote:

Mongo wrote:

In theory, if you go to SL in PA from the DC area, you have to have had a COVID test within 72 hours or do a 2 week quarantine. I’m guessing that’s being ignored and not enforced by SL?

 SL?  

Sorry, I don't recognize the abbr.  

Woody

 SL = Ski Liberty

 

OK!  Got it.  Tnx.

Woody

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