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marzNC - DCSki Supporter
7 months ago

I know it’s early to be thinking about next season, but since Vail Resorts has already started up their marketing machine and it’s clear that the MCP will continue, might as well start the discussion.

The big change announced last week is that Sun Valley and Snowbasin are leaving the MCP to join Telluride as a partner on the Epic passes.  4/7 days with additional days for 50% discount.

The MCP for 2019-20 is being marketed in New Zealand for the 2019 season.  Sales for the 2018-19 MCP started in early March 2018.

The Ikon website opens with the opportunity to get on the elist for 2019-20.

For last year’s thread:

http://www.dcski.com/forum/view_message.php?message_id=93356

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

Article about Epic vs Ikon from a business perspective.  Not much that I haven’t read before but a good introduction that includes some sense of the men in charge of Vail Resorts and Alterra, in particular Katz and Gregory.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-01/epic-vs-ikon-battle-for-the-best-ski-pass

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

Epic pass sales are starting March 5 too.

I expect that the MCP will be available starting next week as well.

Peak Pass already available.  Guess that started March 1?

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

Vail Resorts made changes for Colorado for 2019-20.  With A-Basin off Epic, and Crested Butte owned by VR, there is a new option for locals who use Epic to ski Keystone.  Notice the mention of checking out Idaho (Sun Valley) and the Northeast (Stowe, Okemo, Sunapee).

VAIL RESORTS ANNOUNCES 2019-20 PASS PARTNER CHANGE AND NEW KEYSTONE PLUS PASS 

  • The Company’s pass partnership with Arapahoe Basin will end after the 2018-19 ski season
  • The Keystone Plus Pass will replace the Keystone A-Basin Pass, and provide unlimited access to Keystone with holiday restrictions, unlimited late spring skiing at Breckenridge starting April 1, 2020 and five days at Crested Butte, with holiday restrictions, at a starting price of $369 for adults and $259 for kids
  • With Keystone’s plan to be the first resort open in the U.S. and Breckenridge planning to stay open until Memorial Day, the two Summit County resorts will offer one of the longest ski seasons in the country
  • Also new for the 2019-20 season is the inclusion of 10 buddy tickets on all unlimited season pass products, a 67 percent increase from the six previously offered on the Epic Pass, Epic Local Pass, Summit Value Pass and included now with the Keystone Plus Pass, Tahoe Local Pass, and Tahoe Value Pass when purchased before the customary April deadline
  • The Epic Pass offers more access to Colorado than any other pass product including world-class skiing at Vail, Beaver Creek, Breckenridge, Keystone, Crested Butte and Telluride, while also providing the flexibility to sample Utah, Idaho, Lake Tahoe and the Northeast
marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

Ikon is going after the family market.  I’ve heard that the $1 MCP for kids during the spring won’t be offered for 2019-20.  The renewal discount is $30 if buy before April 24, 2019.

Child Pass Promotion
To provide additional value for families looking to ski and ride together, Ikon Pass holders can now purchase up to two discounted Child Ikon Passes or Child Ikon Base Passes for children ages 5-12 with the purchase of an Adult Ikon Pass or Ikon Base Pass. The Child Pass Promotion is available until Wednesday, April 24. This upcoming season’s offer doubles the number of Child passes available compared to last season, (in 2018/2019, only one Child Ikon Pass or Ikon Base Pass was available for the purchase of an Adult Ikon Pass or Ikon Base Pass).

6 months ago

marzNC wrote:

Ikon is going after the family market.  I’ve heard that the $1 MCP for kids during the spring won’t be offered for 2019-20.  The renewal discount is $30 if buy before April 24, 2019.

Child Pass Promotion
To provide additional value for families looking to ski and ride together, Ikon Pass holders can now purchase up to two discounted Child Ikon Passes or Child Ikon Base Passes for children ages 5-12 with the purchase of an Adult Ikon Pass or Ikon Base Pass. The Child Pass Promotion is available until Wednesday, April 24. This upcoming season’s offer doubles the number of Child passes available compared to last season, (in 2018/2019, only one Child Ikon Pass or Ikon Base Pass was available for the purchase of an Adult Ikon Pass or Ikon Base Pass).

I love the fact that Alterra is building a compelling family value proposition.  We will likely get Ikon passes again next season for our family of 4.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

While there are a few other multi-resort passes or reciprocal agreements for New England, NY State, North Carolina, and out west, the only other multi-resort pass that anyone living in the DC/VA/PA is likely to consider is the Peak Pass.  At least now that Whitetail, Liberty, and Roundtop are owned by Peak.  Apparently that went on sale for in-person purchases on March 1.  Online info is still not available but supposedly March 5 is the start date.

Here’s info from another DCSki thread.  The Traveler is for M-F. 

http://www.dcski.com/forum/96778

Here are Peak Pass prices for 2019-20.  Check online for details.  Explorer Adult 629, Explorer Youth 399, Drifter 399, Ranger 529, Traveler 329, Scout 60.  Payment plan available.  No local passes or senior rates.

6 months ago

marzNC wrote:

While there are a few other multi-resort passes or reciprocal agreements for New England, NY State, North Carolina, and out west…

What passes cover any NC resorts?  I feel like I maybe saw one that had Beech (maybe MCP?) - are there others?

 

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

Keith_Moon wrote:

marzNC wrote:

While there are a few other multi-resort passes or reciprocal agreements for New England, NY State, North Carolina, and out west…

What passes cover any NC resorts?  I feel like I maybe saw one that had Beech (maybe MCP?) - are there others?

 

You probably haven’t heard of it.  There are a limited number of NC Gold passes sold every year.  For $775, it’s a season pass to all six ski areas in NC.

http://www.goskinc.com/goldcard/

I doubt any of the NC or VA ski areas/resorts will ever be on a multi-resort pass the includes destination resorts in the northeast and out west.  At least not until Vail or Alterra figure out how big the potential market is in Altanta, Charlotte, and Raleigh.  As well as the Floridians who make the drive to NC for ski vacations.  But I figure they should work on the mid-Atlantic first.  Alterra got Snowshoe since it was part of Intrawest.  Peak got Snowtime so that’s not available any more.  Wonder if Vail Resorts or Alterra are considering any of the ski areas/resorts in PA.  As a timeshare resort, Massanutten is not an option.  As for Wintergreen …

6 months ago

FWIW I think it was Powder Alliance, although I don’t see Beech on any current lists that compare any of the various multi-resort passes.  I know I saw it at least once in the past because it was the only resort south of Snowshoe and as such caught my attention.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

Keith_Moon wrote:

FWIW I think it was Powder Alliance, although I don’t see Beech on any current lists that compare any of the various multi-resort passes.  I know I saw it at least once in the past because it was the only resort south of Snowshoe and as such caught my attention.

Hmm … I’ve watched the Powder Alliance in recent years and don’t remember any ski area in the east being included.  That started in CA and is different since it’s a reciprocal arrangement that requires buying a full season pass for one of the participants.  I pay attention because it includes Bridger (non-profit), Loveland, and Schweitzer.

https://www.powderalliance.com

6 months ago

I agree with marzki, don’t think any of the discussed passes have done that

 

However I do remember that a few years ago when it was marketed as the one world pass Monarch had reciprical days at Cataloochee.

I heard repeatedly that the Loveland and A-basin pass will have free days to the other next year, that’s a lot of terrain within a 15 min. drive

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
6 months ago

Tuesday, March 5 is not only the day that Ikon passes for 2019-20 will be available for purchase, also the date for Epic.  The Epic tag line on the website is “Epic for Everyone, Coming March 5.”

Anyone get an email notification for 2019-20 for the MCP?

Prices for Ikon already available for all categories:

https://www.ikonpass.com/en/2019-2020-ikon-pass-on-sale

 

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
4 months ago

For 2019-20 the MCP list is back down to 12 destinations in US/Canada, with 5 on other continents that also provide 2 days plus 50% discount for additional days.  The 2 included days are per resort. Chamonix in France is included but only 2 days, no 50% discount.

Squaw/Alpine Meadows, CA
Mammoth, CA
Big Sky, MT
Jackson Hole, WY
Aspen/Snowmass, CO
Alta, UT
Snowbird, UT
Taos, NM
Sugarbush, VT

Revelstoke, BC, Canada
Banff Sunshine, BC, Canada
Lake Louise, BC, Canada

Niseko United, Japan

Valle Nevado, Chile (2019)
Thredbo, Australia (2019)
Mt. Buller, Australia (2019)
Coronet/Remarkables, New Zealand (2019)

The $449 iniital price and bonus day (1 pre-selected resort) probably won’t last much longer.  Usually the MCP goes off sale by June 1.  Then sales open again mid-August at a slightly higher price and no bonus day.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
3 months ago

marzNC wrote:

The $449 iniital price and bonus day (1 pre-selected resort) probably won’t last much longer.  Usually the MCP goes off sale by June 1.  Then sales open again mid-August at a slightly higher price and no bonus day.

MCP went to $469 for adults and $149 for children.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
3 months ago

The overlap between Ikon and MCP locations can be a bit confusing.  The differences are mainly for the “destinations” that have more than one resort.  For instance, using Ikon for Alta and Snowbird means having the equivalent of a combo Alta/Snowbird ticket (5/7 days) but they are completely separate using the MCP (2 days each included, 50% additional days).  The good news for people who ski Alta with the MCP for more than 2 days is the 50% discount is for an Alta-only ticket instead of the combo.  If staying at a lodge at Alta, can easily get a free ride to start at Snowbird and then ski back if Mineral Basin is open.  The deal is that you can cross over and ski down after 3pm without triggering an Alta day on the MCP pass.  Similar deal in reverse for people staying at Snowbird.  They don’t check lift tickets for either lift in Mineral.

Ikon/MCP Pass Destinations by Location for 2019-20, as of May 2019

bold - 14 Alterra resorts;  * Alta/Snowbird is combo access with Ikon;  ** Boyne Resorts

Crystal Mountain, WA

**The Summit at Snoqualmie, WA

Squaw/Alpine, CA - MCP

Mammoth, CA - MCP

June Mountain, CA

Big Bear, CA

**Big Sky, MT - MCP

Jackson Hole, WY - MCP

Deer Valley, UT

Solitude, UT

**Brighton, UT

*Alta, UT - MCP

*Snowbird, UT - MCP

Aspen/Snowmass, CO - MCP

Steamboat, CO

Winter Park, CO

Copper, CO

Eldora, CO

Taos Ski Valley, NM - MCP

**Boyne Highlands, MI

**Boyne Mountain, MI

**Sugarloaf, ME

**Sunday River, ME

**Loon Mountain, NH

Stratton, VT

Killington/Pico, VT

Sugarbush, VT - MCP

Snowshoe, WV

 

CANADA

Alberta, Canada: SkiBig3

Banff Sunshine (SkiBig3), AB - MCP

Lake Louise, (SkiBig3), AB - MCP

Norquay (SkiBig3), AB

Revelstoke, BC - MCP

Cypress Mountain, BC

CMH Heli-Skiing, BC

Blue Mountain, ONT

Tremblant, QUE

 

Thredbo (2020), New South Wales, Australia - MCP (2019)

Mt. Buller (2020), New South Wales, Australia - MCP (2019)

Coronet Peak (2020), South Island, New Zealand - MCP (2019)

The Remarkables (2020), South Island, New Zealand - MCP (2019)

Mt Hutt (2020), South Island, New Zealand

Niseko United, Hokkaido, Japan

 

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
3 months ago

Keith_Moon wrote:

FWIW I think it was Powder Alliance, although I don’t see Beech on any current lists that compare any of the various multi-resort passes.  I know I saw it at least once in the past because it was the only resort south of Snowshoe and as such caught my attention.

Found Beech on a list.  Not Powder Alliance, but one of the resorts on the Power Pass.  But not listed for 2019-20.  The main players for the Power Pass are Purgatory and AZ Snowbowl.  Also connected to the Freedom Pass, which includes several smaller mountains in the northeast.  Magic in VT and Plattekill in NY are on the Freedom Pass.

3 months ago

marzNC wrote:

Keith_Moon wrote:

FWIW I think it was Powder Alliance, although I don’t see Beech on any current lists that compare any of the various multi-resort passes.  I know I saw it at least once in the past because it was the only resort south of Snowshoe and as such caught my attention.

Found Beech on a list.  Not Powder Alliance, but one of the resorts on the Power Pass.  But not listed for 2019-20.  The main players for the Power Pass are Purgatory and AZ Snowbowl.  Also connected to the Freedom Pass, which includes several smaller mountains in the northeast.  Magic in VT and Plattekill in NY are on the Freedom Pass.

 

You must have really had to work to find that one lol.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
3 months ago

Keith_Moon wrote:

marzNC wrote:

Keith_Moon wrote:

FWIW I think it was Powder Alliance, although I don’t see Beech on any current lists that compare any of the various multi-resort passes.  I know I saw it at least once in the past because it was the only resort south of Snowshoe and as such caught my attention.

Found Beech on a list.  Not Powder Alliance, but one of the resorts on the Power Pass.  But not listed for 2019-20.  The main players for the Power Pass are Purgatory and AZ Snowbowl.  Also connected to the Freedom Pass, which includes several smaller mountains in the northeast.  Magic in VT and Plattekill in NY are on the Freedom Pass.

 

You must have really had to work to find that one lol.

Wasn’t really looking, but as you noted when any southeast ski resort pops up on a list, then it’s easy to notice.  I’ve been watching what James Coleman has been doing ever since he bought Purgatory.  The Power Pass is his baby, with the recent addition of Nordic Valley now that his company is operating it.  The Power Pass has some unique features.

I’m trying to get caught up with what’s happened with the other “multi-regional passes” beyond the three that make headlines.  That list has grown to six as far as I can tell.  The Indy Pass and Boyne Gold are new for 2019-20.  The other four have been around since 2014 but keep evolving, usually by adding locations.

  • Freedom Pass - started 2014 in northeast
  • Powder Alliance - started 2014 on west coast
  • Power Pass (AZ, NM, SW CO, UT) - started 2014 with NM
  • Peak Pass (northeast, PA, midwest) - started 2014 in northeast
  • Indy Pass - 2019-20 is first season
  • Boyne Gold (MI, MT, WA, NH, ME) - free days/50% discount at other Boyne resorts for first time for 2019-20
marzNC - DCSki Supporter
one month ago

Anyone bought a multi-resort pass yet?  If not, the situation changed quite a bit in the last few weeks for folks in the Mid-Atlantic.

Vail Resorts is buying Peak Resorts.  That will put all the Peak locations on Epic for 2019-20 although Peak passes will also be honored.

Ikon and MCP added A-Basin.  The MCP is back on sale for $489/$199.

The Indy Pass list grew.  Goes on sale Sept. 1, 2019 for $199.  Includes 2 days at Massanutten, Bryce, Canaan Valley, and Cataloochee, and a bunch of places in other regions.

http://www.indyskipass.com

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
29 days ago

Prices for Epic passes go up after Labor Day.  Clearly expect the merger with Peak to go thru.  There’s a note at the top of the individual pass webpages, plus the complete list of Peak locations as a separate section at the bottom for Full Epic and Epic Local.

NEW for 2019/20 – Access to Sun Valley, Snowbasin and Rusutsu-Japan. 
COMING SOON for 2019/20 - the 17 Peak Resorts ski areas* (*subject to certain conditions, including regulatory review)

The new Epic Day pass is starting to make a bit more sense.  Assuming someone really wants to ski at a VR destination resort for <8 days for around $100/day.  Helps to play around with the price calculator for a Day Pass for 3 or less days versus 4-7 days.  Can easily see the daily rate with or without holiday period access for both Adult and Child Epic Day.  Noticed in the FAQ that “the Epic Day Pass includes matching bonus days that can be used at Wilmot, Mt. Brighton or Afton Alps.”  Wonder if that will apply to Peak locations in PA eventually.  Can upgrade an Epic Day pass to more days or a regular Epic pass as long as those passes are still being sold.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
28 days ago

For anyone who hasn’t bought Epic, Ikon, or MCP before, the articles on ZRankings are a pretty good starting point for comparing these three multi-resort, multi-regional season passes.  ZRankings updates thier comparison articles when changes occur, such as A-Basin getting added to Ikon and MCP.  Hasn’t been an update for the Peak merger yet, which will obviously change the situation betwene Epic and Ikon in the East.

https://www.zrankings.com/articles/ikon-pass-vs-epic-pass

https://www.zrankings.com/articles/epic-pass-vs-mountain-collective

https://www.zrankings.com/articles/the-best-ski-pass-for-colorado-ikon-epic

27 days ago

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marzNC - DCSki Supporter
19 days ago

Keith_Moon wrote:

Here’s an article about the Indy Pass:

https://www.skimag.com/news/dropping-multi-resort-indy-pass?fbclid=IwAR2eEjrYJZ8MBFlY7ka97a14_AYkzK3YMQuL_-yMiJ1kC9qPK7wGEPtGsJY

Shows the marketing advantages of a cooperative agreement.  When has there been an article in SKI Magazine featuring Massanutten, or Blue Knob, or any of the other Indy Pass locations?

Already possible to buy on Indy Pass.  Don’t have to wait until Sept. 1.  The website has also been beefed up with info about the locations by region.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
10 days ago

Unlike Ikon, age and location can make a big difference when looking at Epic prices.  For Epic, age-related options exist for under 19 and over 64.  For teens and college students, definitely pays to look at all applicable options.  The senior rates make a big difference around Tahoe and in the midwest.  Hopefully that will be the case for the Peak Resorts after 2019-20.  However, where someone lives is the bigger factor for either Epic or Ikon.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
10 days ago

Now that websites are set up for the 2019-20 season, I took a look at the online advanced ticket pricing for Okemo, Sunapee, and Stowe. It’s obvious that all three resorts are using the same software for online ticketing. There is a link in the corner for the Epic Day Pass.  For one resort, the maximum online discount is 25% of the window rate for a given date or date range. Multi-day ticket options include: 2 of 3, 3 of 5, 4 of 6, 5 of 8, 6 of 9, up to 7 of 10 days. The marketing phrase for the Epic Day Pass is “up to 50%” off the window rate but that’s only if getting 7 days.

Suppose someone was thinking of spending two non-holiday weekends at Stowe. If they were willing to commit to the dates well in advance, buying two 2-day tickets for non-holiday January weekends would be $186+186 = $372. A 4-day Epic Day Pass without holidays is currently $399 and was $388 before Sept. 2, 2019. The advantage of paying a little more early on for an Epic Day Pass is the flexibility of using the 4 days any non-holiday period at any of the three VR resorts in the northeast during the season. Or potentially flying out west for a weekend trip to a VR resort.

Haven’t looked at online advanced ticket prices for the three midwest locations in MI, MN, WI but would expect something similar.

The daily rate range for the Epic Day Pass was $89-106 (1-7 days) during the spring and summer, and went up to $92-109 in early Sept.  If interested in Telluride, Sun Valley or Snowbasin, or the RCR mountains in Canada, then would need to get 4-7 days.

Epic Local includes unlimited access to Okemo and Sunapee, with blackout dates for Stowe.  But possible to get a discounted ticket during holidays for Stowe.  The price went up to $719 for 19+ after 9/2/2019.  Epic Local includes unlimited days at Breck, Keystone, and Crested Butte in CO, along with Okemo and Sunapee and the “local” ski areas in the midwest and PacNW.  Access to Peak resorts for 2019-20 is supposed to be unrestricted once the merger is complete.  Presumably to entice people who bought a Peak Pass to upgrade to Epic Local.

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