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7 days ago

Canaan Valley will see the closure of a favorite watering hole and good restaurant when Deerfield closes it’s doors on the 28th of October and Amelias will be closed until further notice on the same date.  After losing Timber’s last year and Tucker’s/Big Als a couple of years ago it’s obvious that the valley is dying. Rentals are robust in the late spring, summer, and fall, but winter has been lack-lust for a list of obvious reasons.  Blackwater Falls State Park’s sled run had a banner year in 2017-18 and will probably do even better this year.  White grass, when the weather cooperates, rivals the alpine areas of Canaan Valley and Timberline in attendance. Real estate values have plummeted as the lack of wintertime investment has created a heightened level of uncertainty in the market.  Many have watched real estate investments lose hundreds of thousands in value in the last several years while other parts of the area has witnessed a healthy rebound in values.  There are reasons for this but I’ll let others speculate on the reasons (mostly obvious) while locsls and homeowners try to survive this localized recession where 20 years ago a boom was occuring.   All that is left in the valley that is a “sure thing” is CV State Park and with a corporation with only a goal of profit at the cost of product running it’s show it’s not that wonderful.  Part of that blame falls on the state and its reluctance to improve recreational facilities as in snowmaking.   

7 days ago

This is really getting worse by the day.  Surely someone in Charleston is noticing?  Is no one in CV, Davis, Thomas asking for help?  If lack of water is the CV snowmaking problem, then why is it not being addressed as a priority capital improvement??!!  And other than a few insiders, no one seems to understand what is and is not happening with Timberline!  Even with tight money why is there no obvious planning, or hint of planning so the public at large can get behind a positive future?  It truly is a sad frustrating situation.  WAKE UP WEST VIRGINIA!!!

The Colonel

aka MorganB

 

 

7 days ago

The Colonel wrote:

This is really getting worse by the day.  Surely someone in Charleston is noticing?  Is no one in CV, Davis, Thomas asking for help?  If lack of water is the CV snowmaking problem, then why is it not being addressed as a priority capital improvement??!!  And other than a few insiders, no one seems to understand what is and is not happening with Timberline!  Even with tight money why is there no obvious planning, or hint of planning so the public at large can get behind a positive future?  It truly is a sad frustrating situation.  WAKE UP WEST VIRGINIA!!!

The Colonel

aka MorganB

 

 

Ah, but kwllg6 was precise for a reason: the Valley is dying … not Davis or Thomas.   In fact, see today’s New York Times (!) travel section for a feature on the economic revival in Davis and Thomas:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/travel/west-virginia-towns.html

It has always been somewhat hard to make a restaurant work in the Valley - look at the parade of failures in the old Tucker’s/Coyote’s space.  But Sirianni’s proves there is demand if done right. 

The problem is that when a supposedly “four seasons resort” is closed for the spring, summer and fall, it creates the impression that there is no life in the Valley.  WG is of course a winter-only operation also, and CVR state park appeal mainly to people staying there.  So while real estate in the Valley may rent well in the summer to the hiking/biking/etc crowd, most any visitor to the area will quickly conclude that you need to go “into town” for dining, entertainment, retail, etc.  Davis booms (a little) while the Valley dies.  

7 days ago

Excellent point on the distinction between Davis/Thomas and the Valley. I would also guess the CVR state park is doing fine with non-winter business - to cite just one example, I would guess they do OK hosting conferences. Are the park finances publicly available? If the state is already turning a profit then it seems unlikely they will approve any winter-only large scale capital improvements, as much as we wish otherwise. Why would the state risk losing money on such a weather/climate dependent activity like skiing if they are already turning a profit overall?

For lift-serviced skiing to every reach the next level in the Valley it will require someone with deep pockets and a willingness to take a financial risk.

7 days ago

I don’t understand what you all are worried about. Timblerline has stated they are opening November 30 with a $1,000,000 snowmaking upgrade, computrization of the entire business and they are currently doing lift maintenance, parking lot improvements, did you see the new pipes on Facebook and turning the power back on, which they say is a “process, not a switch to turn, as it involves negotiation and a number of checks and master electrician related details”. Timberline is roaring back to life.

7 days ago

Where’d the $1,000,000 come from???

7 days ago

jimmy wrote:

I don’t understand what you all are worried about. Timblerline has stated they are opening November 30 with a $1,000,000 snowmaking upgrade, computrization of the entire business and they are currently doing lift maintenance, parking lot improvements, did you see the new pipes on Facebook and turning the power back on, which they say is a “process, not a switch to turn, as it involves negotiation and a number of checks and master electrician related details”. Timberline is roaring back to life.

 

I hear ya Jimmy.  The jury is still out on Timberline although they are doing stuff at the base area which is a positive.  I hope they do make it this and in ensuing years.  My point goes back to some other factors.  Brew Skies was a fantastic event but no more.  The 24 Hours of Canaan ws another.  There were concerts held regularly in the past too.  Leaf Peepers has become real big and this past wekend had the valley packed with younger families hiking, biking, and just enjoying. But the valley is still losing its businesses.  Sad. 

 

7 days ago

You forgot the snowmobile races but i see where you are coming from.

This NY Times acticle that Norsk posted the link to barely mentions winter sports. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/travel/west-virginia-towns.html

 

 

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
7 days ago

I guess Facebook is where to read about what’s going on at Timberline.  Saw the Nov. 30 opening date mentioned a few times.  Using Facebook as the primary marketing outlet has become pretty common for small to medium size resorts.  Tenney in NH didn’t bother with a website for quite a while before the lifts could be opened to the public in March 2018 as the infrastructure was fixed and made operational under new ownership.

From Facebook in Sept and Oct 2018:

What’s your talent? Timberline is hiring full time permanent positions as well as seasonal contract staff. Here are a sampling of the available positions. We offer competitive industry wages and an opportunity for long-term growth and training. The premiere quality we look for in staff is an orientation toward solutions, focus on details and focus on guest experience.
Experienced bookkeeper or staff accountant to work with senior management; IT, experienced food and beverage manager; payroll clerk; office secretary; mountain operations staff; snowmakers; security; housekeeping; facilities maintainance; landscaping; guest experience staff. Apply in person.

Top industry wages for mechanics, maintainance, mountain ops and snowmaking. Requests for confidential queries will be respected. Talk to us.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
7 days ago

Anyone know if Colonel Al Tompson is still COO & CFO for Timberline.  The press release announcing his hiring is dated November  25, 2016.  There is an article in the local paper from March 2017 but only available to subscribers.  Tompson was defeated for a seat in the WV House for District 53 in November 2016, running as a Democrat.  He served in the Korean War and has been retired for a while.  

http://timberlineresort.com/pdfs/Press%20Release%20-%20Welcome%20Al%20Tomson%20-%20with%20photos.pdf

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/business/retired-army-colonel-finds-second-career-at-wv-ski-resort/article_08435bfc-6438-5b56-875e-d6679e8c3425.html

In Sept 2016, a post in Tompson’s FB Page says he was “a member of the Davis Renaissance Group, an organization committed to the improvement and beautification of the Town of Davis, …”  His FB Page looks like it was set up for his 2016 campaign.

6 days ago

Hey - can we get Trump to buy Timberline ?  You know, put some money back into the coal belt.  Reward Joe Manchin for that scotus vote. Can’t you see it : TRUMP MOUNTAIN !!  Gold plated lift chairs.  High speed octets.  Climate proof snowmaking.  Gaurenteed powder every day.  New championship golf course.  Best mountain ever.     

Dream until your dream comes true.

6 days ago

Make Timberline Great Again.

6 days ago

pagamony wrote:

Hey - can we get Trump to buy Timberline ?  You know, put some money back into the coal belt.  Reward Joe Manchin for that scotus vote. Can’t you see it : TRUMP MOUNTAIN !!  Gold plated lift chairs.  High speed octets.  Climate proof snowmaking.  Gaurenteed powder every day.  New championship golf course.  Best mountain ever.     

Dream until your dream comes true.

Quote from Howard Sterns book…his Dad to him…….. “DON’T BE STUPID YOU MORON!”… Wrong Mountain…MPC!$$$… Need to replace Manchin with a great for buisness Republican…need some fresh energy in there….time to relieve the pitcher….fire the coach…but yeh….Make Canaan Great Again!
6 days ago

the title of this thread reminds me of this George Harrison song

https://youtu.be/CrTMc2i6Lzc

 

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