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15 days ago

Question to the locals (and part-timers in Tucker County) - why isn’t the demise of an important tourism attraction - which generates precious jobs and tax revenue - getting more attention from local and state officals?  A scan of the news shows virtually no coverage of the shutdown of one of Tucker County’s main visitor attractions.  I’m in DC so perhaps I m missing something?  This is especially perplexing because of how important tourism is to Tucker County and the Potomac Highlands.  According to a state commissioned study, Tucker County derives nearly 20% of its jobs from tourism, 4th highest in the state ( http://www.deanrunyan.com/doc_library/WVImp.pdf ).  I used to live in Vermont and there would be intense scrutiny from the locals if a sizeable tourism related business just stopped operating.  Appreciate any perspective, and please refrain from discussing the resort in question, that topic has been exhaustively covered elsewhere in this forum, thanks-

15 days ago

WV is a third world state. Don’t believe me? Go visit some of the southern counties and you will probably never get over the images of that level of poverty and wonder how it can exist here in america. Even Tucker is a poor enough county where all kids K-8 get free breakfast/lunch at schools. The state legislature would hardly budge to help it’s own employees and teachers when they had a work stoppage.but they certainly aren’t going to raise the very low taxes on the oil and gas companies that are having their way with this state to generate needed revenue to help the state. Neighboring Preston county recently declared a state of emergency for their roads. Doubt they are gonna sink money into trying to help a private ski resort. 

15 days ago

chaga wrote:

WV is a third world state. Don’t believe me? Go visit some of the southern counties and you will probably never get over the images of that level of poverty and wonder how it can exist here in america. 

Last year I was traveling to Snowshoe and my GPS took me through down a route I had never been, looking at maps now it was down around Birch River and in through some old mining towns.  I was shocked.  Half of the places people were living looked more like sheds.  A lot of the homes it looked like you had to drive through the river to get over to where the homes were.  There were no bridges, just ruts through the stream.  I know poverty.  I grew up in the middle of nowhere southern ohio.  But this was even more exteme.

West Virginia is one of my favorite places on earth.  I just wish there was something to lift the people out of poverty.

15 days ago

 

West Virginia is one of my favorite places on earth.  I just wish there was something to lift the people out of poverty.

 

At least In Alaska, all residents get around $1000 a year payment from the oil companies…..

14 days ago

Very sad conditions. Fact is, that is what a lot of poverty looks like in the US. 

14 days ago

RodneyBD wrote:

Question to the locals (and part-timers in Tucker County) - why isn’t the demise of an important tourism attraction - which generates precious jobs and tax revenue - getting more attention from local and state officals?  A scan of the news shows virtually no coverage of the shutdown of one of Tucker County’s main visitor attractions.  I’m in DC so perhaps I m missing something?  This is especially perplexing because of how important tourism is to Tucker County and the Potomac Highlands.  According to a state commissioned study, Tucker County derives nearly 20% of its jobs from tourism, 4th highest in the state ( http://www.deanrunyan.com/doc_library/WVImp.pdf ).  I used to live in Vermont and there would be intense scrutiny from the locals if a sizeable tourism related business just stopped operating.  Appreciate any perspective, and please refrain from discussing the resort in question, that topic has been exhaustively covered elsewhere in this forum, thanks-

Have you asked the Parsons Advocate why you see no local coverage by them of this situation so critical to local jobs, tourism, and tax revenue?

14 days ago

yellowsnow wrote:

Have you asked the Parsons Advocate why you see no local coverage by them of this situation so critical to local jobs, tourism, and tax revenue?

The advocate is a super local paper. Anyone who reads it, knows whats going on here already. Sheetz closing in Parsons, is the big local story now.  https://www.wboy.com/news/tucker/sheetz-store-location-set-to-close-in-tucker-county/1423384844     

14 days ago

I like Sheetz and all, but the reaction to the closing really indicates how starved the region is for jobs. “taking action against the closure” - what does that even mean?

If only there was some way to promote tourism in one of the most beautiful areas in the eastern US…

 

14 days ago

National forests, Dolly Sods Wilderness, two magnificent state parks and fall foliage that rivals New England. The towns of Thomas and Davis are hopping. There is plenty of tourism, three seasons per year. Winter used to be the high season now it is the other three. 

14 days ago

wgo wrote:

If only there was some way to promote tourism in one of the most beautiful areas in the eastern US…

Indeed.  How many folks in DC have any idea what is available less than 3hr from the beltway?  Tucker County is the proverbial hidden gem, that many of us keep waiting (and waiting, and waiting) to be discovered by the masses.  A bit more marketing by the TC chamber of commerce would go a long way to improving the situation! 

Maybe it is too late for Timberline under current ownership, but given the year-round potential for Canaan Valley as a premier outdoor vacation destination for the DC area it’s hard to believe that things won’t eventually move in the right direction.

14 days ago

Oh the folks operating the state park ski area would like nothing better than to be open on the weekends of the MLK, Presday, and VA School holidays and close up March first. That place that starts with T and ends with lime does a way better job making snow than the state park. I have a friend who was the SSD at the state park years back who asked what are the chances that the two worst managed ski areas in america could be 5 miles apart? I really don’t think the State cares about winter tourism.

14 days ago

jimmy wrote:

Oh the folks operating the state park ski area would like nothing better than to be open on the weekends of the MLK, Presday, and VA School holidays and close up March first. That place that starts with T and ends with lime does a way better job making snow than the state park. I have a friend who was the SSD at the state park years back who asked what are the chances that the two worst managed ski areas in america could be 5 miles apart? I really don’t think the State cares about winter tourism.

There needs to be an official answer here to the above “challenge”. IF TL does not open this winter, then will CV Ski pull out all the stops and try to pick up the TL customers by improved aggressive snowmaking, and emphasizing an earlier opening and later closing (weather permitting)!

The Colonel

14 days ago

You would have to ask them. Unless they do something about the lack of water for snowmaking, which has been their main issue since DCSki was a baby. Doesn’t matter what kind of snowmaking equipment they install, the faster they make snow, the faster they run out of water.

From what I hear there are quite a few locals and second homeowners in Canaan Valley area with Snowshoe passes this season. The Ikon pass was another way to a season pass at the Shoe.

13 days ago

The Colonel wrote:

jimmy wrote:

Oh the folks operating the state park ski area would like nothing better than to be open on the weekends of the MLK, Presday, and VA School holidays and close up March first. That place that starts with T and ends with lime does a way better job making snow than the state park. I have a friend who was the SSD at the state park years back who asked what are the chances that the two worst managed ski areas in america could be 5 miles apart? I really don’t think the State cares about winter tourism.

There needs to be an official answer here to the above “challenge”. IF TL does not open this winter, then will CV Ski pull out all the stops and try to pick up the TL customers by improved aggressive snowmaking, and emphasizing an earlier opening and later closing (weather permitting)!

The Colonel

Isn’t that backwards ?  If you remvoe competition then you remove incentive to work ?  Just sayin….

13 days ago

I have spent the last several years exploring all over Tucker County in amazement of this wondrous land. Also being from DC and understanding the basic concepts of tourism and convenience, I have spent those same years racking my brain about how badly Tucker County is run.  There is SO much untapped potential there. 

But as others have described above, it is still West VA.  I cannot describe the number of locals i’ve met who basically view tourists as intruders rather than dollar signs.  People who work for certain resorts out there have complained to me about a management mindset with an inability to even begin to understand advertising and the use of social media.

Honestly, that is part of the charm of the place.  But it is also extremely frustrating.  One thing I have learned is that it’s probably not going to change.  Just look at those old posts on DCSKI from the mid 2000’s when they were predicting a Whole Foods would probably end up in Davis!

Timberline is extremely frustrating, but I almost feel like the local economy has already built its demise into the equation.  Not to mention the past two somewhat disappointing ski seasons.

Here’s hope Canaan Valley Resort can at least continue it’s operation going forward.  I’ll be there, because no matter what it’s still one of the cheapest options to get a family on the slopes without crowds!

 

 

 

 

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
13 days ago

Hmm, the current governor of WV is James Justice.  Very rich man from a family that’s owned coal mines and a variety of other businesses for a while.  Thought the name sounded familiar.  He owns Greenbrier.  Bought Wintergreen in 2012 and then turned around and sold it relatively quickly.  I would guess he understands golf as a recreational attraction, not snowsports.

I have the sense that WV State Parks are what gets emphasized when it comes to finding ways to bring in tourist dollars.  Found a report from 2015 that says almost 50% of the revenue at the state parks came from out-of-state visitors.  Have only stayed at Pipestem, which is near Winterplace.  Also did a group gathering there during the summer.  Nicely set up for a relatively inexpensive and uncrowded family-friendly vacation.

https://wvstateparks.com/EconomicResearch2015.pdf

13 days ago

When Justice owned the ski area at Wintergreen he invested heavily in the state-of-Art snowmaking system now in place!

wintergrern is an anomaly in the operation of a ski area.  Ever notice there is no season pass available that covers all operating hours!! This is because the Homeowners do not want an overcrowded Sat ski day!!!  Hard to make money when you keep the season pass holders away on Sat!!!

The Colonel

13 days ago

Jimmy, About the water issue at the CV ski area, any idea why the don’t drill a deep well to help keep the snow making ponds full?

13 days ago
70 inches of liquid fall on those Mtn tops…build another pond or 2… Eminent Domain should be used at TL to help put some of those poor WV folks back to work but really with this Trump Economy and help wanted signs everywhere there shouldn’t be anyone jobless out there..there should be a program to help these Americans move to where the jobs are..uno…set them up like half our country likes to do with as many illegals as they can get our money to help with….now…as the saying goes…you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink….so..help needs to be offered to Our Americans in need…but they need to take advantage of it…. My fear is that if one side gets in power those help wanted signs everywhere will be filled with “cheap”…(not so much ) labor and hashtag..keepwageslowforever….
13 days ago
I was told when I worked at Canaan Valley that our water supply pipe from the pond at the golf course was partially blocked with silt, and that the system filling that pond was smaller than needed anyway. Plus, one of the ponds wasn’t being used because the dam had broken and hadn’t been repaired. Does anyone know if Canaan has added any additional snowmaking pumps to go with their shiny new fanguns? If not, and if they don’t get some more water somehow, the valley is going to have some long liftlines for A Lift.
marzNC - DCSki Supporter
12 days ago

The Colonel wrote:

When Justice owned the ski area at Wintergreen he invested heavily in the state-of-Art snowmaking system now in place!

wintergrern is an anomaly in the operation of a ski area.  Ever notice there is no season pass available that covers all operating hours!! This is because the Homeowners do not want an overcrowded Sat ski day!!!  Hard to make money when you keep the season pass holders away on Sat!!!

The Colonel

Hmm, forgot the timing for Wintergreen.  Even so, the $12 million was spent on Wintergreen upgrades and improvements only means Justice knows what kind of money it takes to keep a ski area competitive.  But that’s completely different from the idea of supporting a private companies in the ski business as the Governor.

What has Governor Justice done to support WV State Parks in general?

12 days ago

fishnski wrote:

70 inches of liquid fall on those Mtn tops…build another pond or 2… Eminent Domain should be used at TL to help put some of those poor WV folks back to work but really with this Trump Economy and help wanted signs everywhere there shouldn’t be anyone jobless out there..there should be a program to help these Americans move to where the jobs are..uno…set them up like half our country likes to do with as many illegals as they can get our money to help with….now…as the saying goes…you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink….so..help needs to be offered to Our Americans in need…but they need to take advantage of it…. My fear is that if one side gets in power those help wanted signs everywhere will be filled with “cheap”…(not so much ) labor and hashtag..keepwageslowforever….

It’s amazing how much political opinion you can squeeze into one post. You just can’t resist.

 

 

12 days ago

Haha it’s an art not a science

12 days ago

marzNC wrote:

Hmm, forgot the timing for Wintergreen.  Even so, the $12 million was spent on Wintergreen upgrades and improvements only means Justice knows what kind of money it takes to keep a ski area competitive.  But that’s completely different from the idea of supporting a private companies in the ski business as the Governor.

What has Governor Justice done to support WV State Parks in general?

Someone this time last year brought up logging them. Does that count? 

Thankfully that didn’t work out: http://wvmetronews.com/2018/02/23/bill-allowing-logging-in-state-parks-falls-apart/

11 days ago
Ur getting weak and opening up to common sense Mr Snowsmith…..I can sense it….welcome to the Right side…. soon!…..
11 days ago

Fishnski - my point is, wrong forum. I think Alex Jones has a forum somewhere. That said, WV is a very rural place that is not benefiting from Captain Chaos’s economy. I’d imagine many folks are moving where the jobs are which makes the situation worse for the ones that remain. The grocery store then closes, etc. 

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