I always find these conversations so one sided. Let's face it, there will be always be annoying and rude people on the hill, whether they're on skis or snowboards really makes no difference whatsoever.

I myself am a boarder, never skiied, and yet almost every confrontation I have ever had on a hill with a skiier has the skiier always resorting to the typical snowboarding bashing routine.

While I have always tried to never block the top of the hill and often find the same sitting snowboarders just as annoying, why is that so many skiiers just stop at the end of the lift run or decide that they have the right to cut across everyone else's paths when getting off the lift. If you want to go left from the far right seat on the lift, have the common decency to stall at the top and let everyone else get off the lift first in front of you.

Why is it that so many skiiers stop over hundreds of feet from the bottom of the lift and cut off the entire bottom of the runs in the same way? even if I was on skis I wouldn't want to have to pole all that way to get back to the lift.

Why is it that when a ski pole tip just happens to somehow end up 6' up in the air, while in a lift line, and almost pokes my eye out, (thankfully it only scratched my brand new googles), it's my fault for being to close behind you? What the hell is your ski pole doing 6' up in the air and 5' behind you in a lift line? I wasn't even close to the guy (could have easily been a person between us), yet I'm sure if that guy was behind me, his ski's would have been all over the back of my board.

Why is it that when I'm dropping a fairly steep patch of a double-blue run out west on a difficult (i.e. icy morning) and headed right down the middle of the run and have a clear path/line all the way down the center, I'm doing nice carved turns taking up only about 20-30' of a fairly wide run and am nice and consistent in my turns, in control, yet moving fairly decently, that when a skiier comes our of utter knowhere to my left, must have been basically going side ways across the entire run and ends up right in front of me with no time to stop and I plow right into her, it's of course because I'm an a-hole snowboarder. While technically this probably was my fault and I felt absolutely horrible because this was the first time I had ever run into somebody, if the situation was reversed I'm sure I would have been yelled at for taking up an entire run, being on a run I had no business being on, scraping all the snow off, etc., etc., etc., Please, if you have this attitude, go to deer valley next time, or stay off the nicer runs of park city that are too steep for you.

This is not meant to start a skiier vs. snowboarder war, but I do find it quite interesting how most skiiers always have a superior attitude about these things. All my friends are skiiers and I ride with some very good ones, and quite honestly, we all have very similar carve patterns when we ride together and I have never had any problems.

The biggest problem I see is the countless people who have no respect for others and insist on going down runs they have no business on, and this has nothing do with whether they choose to ride one plank or two.

I don't really have anything to add, and could care less either way. I just wanted to get my post in on this epic thread..............

Yeah, me too!

ks5z, speaking of one-sided, how about snowboarders making heel-side traverses without checking their absolutely enormous blind spot?

ks5Z,

No technically about it, that is ABSOLUTELY your fault. If you can't see that why bother to complain about anybody else's behavior.

I just returned from Winter Park. On my first day, my first run, I had not gone 100 yards when I was run over by a boarder. I mean this would have made the NFL highlights biggest hits reel. My shoulder is still not healed (oddly enough, not the one he hit, the one I landed on).

Could it have been a skier blasting down a beginner run? I suppose. But if you want to ski safely, stay away from children and snowboarders. I take it seriously that it is my responsibility to avoid downhill folks. And that means keeping some distance, not blasting by without leaving room to maneuver.

Steve

this is my point exactly, you both failed to miss the point entirely and immediately jumped on the snowboard bashing routine...

I already said this was my fault, she did not come from my blind spot by the way (don't forget skiiers have the exact same blind spots, or do you have eyes in the back of you're heads I don't know about), I was not on a beginner hill, where I always take it slower because of situations like this, and this was just one of those unfortunate bizarre circumstances.

I still would bet that if I turned the story around, half of you would have posted about me being on a run I shouldn't be on, scraping the snow off, etc...., which was the whole point in the first place.

One thing I can say.... I've rarely witnessed a boarder straight shooting down a black slope. Saw a skier doing that on Sunday, on White Lightening, wearing only a pair of shorts, no shirt, on skis no longer than 150s. If that moron would have fallen, it would have attracted every turkey buzzard in the valley . When skiers do this it's a figure 11. I guess if a boarder does it it's a figure 1????

To me this whole argument sums up as this. If you're a prick you're a prick and it doesn't matter what you stand on to do it. I've been taken out by all sorts on the slopes, snowboarders, skiers, kids, my own stupidity etc. it's a fact of life here or anywhere. I could really not care less about what skiers think of boarders or vice versa as long as they keep it to themselves. When it spills over into some sort of overt snobbery or sense of entitlement then that irks me. Places like Alta and Deer Valley only really bother me because of the underlying snide attitude. I'd like to be able to go ride them but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. It does kind of suck that the 2 times I've been in Utah my buddy felt like he had to pass on the opportunity to go to Alta because he'd have to go solo, everyone apart from him in our group snowboards.

Alta and Deer valley both suck anyways the only reason why people like them is because the trails are easy and they feel like they can ski there.

Alta is the most hard core gaper mountain there is in USA.

simply put anyone I have meet who was an 'altaholic" couldnt ski all that well.

the only resort thats worth snowboarding that is skiers only is MRG. Its also IMO the least likely to ever lift the ban.

Not exactly. A traversing skier can see uphill without turning his or her head. A heelside traversing snowboarder cannot see uphill without turning the head.

A straightlining skier can see to his left and right without turning his or her head. A straightlining snowboarder cannot see to heelside without turning the head.

Those are -not- the same blind spots.




Nope, sorry. I don't give a flying flip how much snow you scrape. I likes the stuff underneath.