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2 months ago

lbotta wrote:

https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/polar-vortex-shifting-away-from-north-america-climate

Good news indeed but sadly, your old stomping grounds at the shoe will see temps in the 60s all week.  Ugh!

2 months ago

I sure hope so.

Colorado needs it. Forecast temps for the next 10 days for Breckenridge show highs in the 50s and lows in the 30s — not cold enough to blow snow.

That means that Loveland will miss an October opening for the first time in my memory, and that Keystone will miss it’s 11/4 openiong date, too. That will be the second straight year for Keystone to miss it’s opening date.

A-Basin made it’s normal October opening, but warm temps have prevented it from opening more terrain - still just one 600 foot vert blue open - a week and a half after opening. 

2 months ago

bob wrote:

I sure hope so.

Colorado needs it. Forecast temps for the next 10 days for Breckenridge show highs in the 50s and lows in the 30s — not cold enough to blow snow.

That means that Loveland will miss an October opening for the first time in my memory, and that Keystone will miss it’s 11/4 openiong date, too. That will be the second straight year for Keystone to miss it’s opening date.

A-Basin made it’s normal October opening, but warm temps have prevented it from opening more terrain - still just one 600 foot vert blue open - a week and a half after opening. 

it isn’t true - they are opening on time. The weather thing is a Chinese hoax. Horrible, horrible people. NOAA is a corrupt government instrument whose real three month  outlook is certainly on a private email server somewhere. We’are winners; people are already skiing at Apen  right now, but the corrupt press is hiding it from the public.

2 months ago

Crush wrote:

it isn’t true - they are opening on time. The weather thing is a Chinese hoax. Horrible, horrible people. NOAA is a corrupt government instrument whose real three month  outlook is certainly on a private email server somewhere. We’are winners; people are already skiing at Apen  right now, but the corrupt press is hiding it from the public.

I guess this satalite shot of how much snow is on the ground is a Trump hoax….
Our Govt is corrupt in places..weather Data has been manipulated …sorry to tell you..id think a rebel like you would understand that…you are just getting irritable…you will get your fix soon enough…calm down! …

2 months ago

btw…the blue means there is snow where snow cover doesnt normaly exist at this time of year..
this snow cover will eventually create a very cold winter..depends of which way the winds blow…the latest pattern has cold shots clipping new england and on down to just touching the mid Atlantic…leaving the western areas warmer…el nina type stuff…
latest model run shows a nice cold shot coming around the 12th of nov…still a ways out but could be good for Tgiving…… will have to see how this plays out….

2 months ago

http://www.wtae.com/weather/the-annual-winter-weather-forecast-from-pittsburghs-action-weather/42273928#.WBKHgw_8Yuk.facebook

Winter weather forecast from the local Pittsburg weather wiz with snow forecasts down to the inch….making Mid-Atlantic Skiing Great Again, despite the Chinese.

2 months ago

nice vid SnowS…
Im thinking that if we went by the snow fcasts presented that would mean about 145 snow total for Canaan….but that would still be a little below norm…but ill take it!…love the flashback of Winter storm Jonas…that was a fun storm for me…shoveled for 3 days…plowing with my truck..without a plow…just 4 wheel shoving!

2 months ago

bob wrote:

 

That means that Loveland will miss an October opening for the first time in my memory, and that Keystone will miss it’s 11/4 openiong date, too. That will be the second straight year for Keystone to miss it’s opening date.

As I predicted a few days ago. .. from the Keystone website a few minutes ago:

“11/1/2016

Due to unseasonably warm weather over the last few weeks, we have made the difficult decision to delay Keystone’s opening day, which was originally scheduled for Friday, Nov. 4. We are dedicated to providing our guests with the best early-season conditions possible and unfortunately Mother Nature has not allowed us to do that in time for our scheduled opening. However, with confidence in our resort’s sophisticated snowmaking system and mountain operations team, and a more favorable weather outlook, particularly during overnight hours, we are targeting Friday, Nov. 11 as the opening day for the 2016-2017 winter season.”

 

I was so sure this would happen that two days ago I cancelled my flight and rent car reservations for 11/3-11/5.

 

 

 

2 months ago

fishnski wrote:

nice vid SnowS…
Im thinking that if we went by the snow fcasts presented that would mean about 145 snow total for Canaan….but that would still be a little below norm…but ill take it!…love the flashback of Winter storm Jonas…that was a fun storm for me…shoveled for 3 days…plowing with my truck..without a plow…just 4 wheel shoving!

145 is just fine if it stays cold. We have had years well above 145 that were just so-so because it would snow, then warm rain a week later, then snow again, and warm rain a few days later, etc etc. 

Some dressing for the turkey coming?  

 

 

 

2 months ago

Early snows always seem to favor the lake Placid area…the east is in the best zone as long as this pattern holds..its def El Nina like….
The Nov 12th cold shot on my last post 8 days ago  still is there. and it shows up as snowfall on the map below..will have to see if we can get followup shots…I think the odds are better than 50/50

2 months ago

lets keep this thread going all winter!!…..it dies as soon as we get bad weather news…….

2 months ago

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!!!!!!!

2 months ago

One way to track weather to see if there is a bullish or bearish sentiment on cold weather coming in is to track the price of Nat Gas…….unfortunately the latest Wx model runs have backed off somewhat on the intensity and longevity of incoming cold shots…Soooo…nat gas price is tanking….

OH well…thought I could post the image of the chart but it is being blocked somehow….so solly…




 

2 months ago

No good news from Colorado.

Loveland finally opens tomorrow - with the latest opening date in my memory.

Copper has slipped it’s opening date to 11/18. Now two weeks later than the initial date.

Keystone has stopped talking about an 11/11 opening date (already delayed from 11/4), and now says it will open when snowmaking allows it to.

The way I see the 10 day forecast shaping up is no natural snow to speak of over the next 10 days. Only one day with evening temps low enough for good snowmaking, and that day is 11/17. Except for 11/17 evening temps are forecast as 14-17 degrees above the normal 15 degrees.

IMO the 11/18 opening dates are in jeopardy, and depending on evening temps after 11/18, Thanksgiving now starts looking a bit risky — which would be a disaster. I recall an opening something like this about 20 years ago. Keystone had one trail open on Thanksgiving day. I got in one run, and waited an hour for the gondola. I got in my second run and the gondola line was maybe two hours long. I quit Keystone and went over to A-Basin where lift lines were a bit more manageable.

EDIT UPDATE: Keystone is now saying 11/18 to open. Breck is joining the “delay” party. It just announced that it plans to slip it’s scheduled 11/11 opening and will open “shortly after Keystone.” A-Basin STILL only has one trail open, with maybe a second by the weekend.

2 months ago

3 week snowfall forcast

gfs

2 months ago

Snowsmith

How do we get three weeks between Nov 9 and Nov 25?

MorganB

2 months ago

I guess I counted the map boxes and assumed they were days. How about 2+ weeks?

2 months ago

Weekend forecast at Snowshoe - I want to believe it but after last season, I’m scared.

https://www.wunderground.com/us/wv/snowshoe/zmw:26209.1.99999

 

2 months ago

And for Davis, WV:

https://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:26260.1.99999

(1) I might be up for bootpacking for some turns at whitegrass on Monday…

(2) I will be at the NRAO with my son the weekend of Dec 3-4 for a Scout trip. Might be worth it for us to head up to Snowshoe on Sunday afternoon depending on what they can open by then.

2 months ago

I was just looking at this- drew a 5hour radius around Baltimore for a post-TGiving run.  Laurel Highlands and on down, W of the Eastern Divide, all look not bad- up to 6” or so, and then temps staying in the snowmaking regime for most of the week.

Likewise, Catskills on North looking potentially tasty for TGiving.  All depends how aggressive they are with their guns…

Any whispers of openings?  7Springs, especially?  Not sure how much time they need to cover enough acreage?

2 months ago

The slope has recently been mowed at WG. Should be good skiing with no base.  Also, the gas company just mowed/brushhogged the _entire_ pipeline going through the area in the past few weeks which is almost a skiers gift if you ask me! 

 

wgo wrote:

And for Davis, WV:

https://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:26260.1.99999

(1) I might be up for bootpacking for some turns at whitegrass on Monday…

(2) I will be at the NRAO with my son the weekend of Dec 3-4 for a Scout trip. Might be worth it for us to head up to Snowshoe on Sunday afternoon depending on what they can open by then.

 

2 months ago

skinavy wrote:

Any whispers of openings?  7Springs, especially?  Not sure how much time they need to cover enough acreage?

Snowshoe was previously advertising 11/23, although they removed most of the references to that date I suspect they will open on or as close to that date as possible. The last email I got (albeit not from mountain ops) said there were no plans to change opening date at the moment, if Sunday and Monday go as forecast, I think they have a shot at Wednesday 

2 months ago

skinavy wrote:

 

Any whispers of openings?  7Springs, especially?  Not sure how much time they need to cover enough acreage?

Typically 7springs needs 3 days below freezing and 1 day for grooming to open.  A 11/25 or 11/26 opening seems posible. 

2 months ago

Thanks- very much liking the further improved forecast this morning for the Shoe up through Laurel Highlands!  And here I was, betting on the Catskills.

2 months ago

I’m buying into the hype ….. just because it’s fun.

2 months ago

Figures it’s going to snow in Lake Placid this weekend.  Driving my NC minivan up with my daughter for a gathering at North Country School.  Been up there the last three Thanksgiving weeks and usually ended up driving on snow at least one day.

Have a friend who plans to ski Whiteface over Thanksgiving weekend, so she’s happy.

2 months ago

I have north country friends who get their first tracks every year on the whiteface memorial highway.  Drive up as far as you can and start hiking.  Happy Thanksgiving whatever you do.

2 months ago

An Update from Snowshoe’s Facebook page:

OPENING DAY UPDATE: We are excited to see snow and cold return to the forecast for the next week! Our snowmakers will be ready and waiting the second the temperatures drop this weekend. We expect to know better early next week what our official opening day will be. While we’re not completely eliminating the chance we will be ready with limited terrain for our original target opening of Nov. 23rd, we are more realistically turning our attention to the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend, or the weekend immediately after. A healthy dose of natural snow and 90+ hours of cold temperatures suitable for snowmaking would give us what we need to drop the rope with great coverage and conditions.

The long range forecast suggests that winter is almost here, and that once it arrives it will settle in and be a great one for skiing and snowboarding in our mountains.

Regardless of whether the skiing and riding are open for the Thanksgiving holiday, we will have shops and restaurants open, and plenty of family holiday activities in the Village, everything you need for a great get-together.

Stay tuned for more updates early next week, and think SNOW!

#snowshoemtn #winterwednesday

2 months ago

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one month ago

Snowing in the Laurels!

one month ago

Drove back from Myrtle Beach today.  Light snow at Winterplace, WV around 1 PM.  6 PM it’s snowing steady at the Shoe with major snowmaking occurring.

one month ago

Snowshoe started with the snowmaking around 12:30 today, which seems earlier than I would have expected. Looked like 7 springs fired up their system around 9-10pm tonight. Looks like there might be some options for thanksgiving skiing. Looking at forecast other than Wednesday and Thursday night both Snowshoe and 7 Springs have good night time temps for snowmaking and non-stop snowmaking through Tuesday AM, so hopefully this weekend will give them a base they can open with and then they can expand with night time snowmaking. 

one month ago

Check out the Dolly Sods Web Cam this morning.  The valley *looks* open.  Beautiful.  All us flatlanders are hoping to see some report of some action up there.  

 

one month ago

Looking like snow on the way Saturday night in to Sunday morning..

one month ago

crgildart wrote:

Looking like snow on the way Saturday night in to Sunday morning..

ALAS!  Looking like it will be rain instead of snow now.. Probably some snow up top, but rain and ice everywhere else around there :-(

one month ago

… take a look at 9-11 Dec… some pretty good periods well <32deg at Liberty, WT, RT.  Poles crossed for an opening sometime the week after!  Certainly by the 17th.

Snowshoe, 7S, West of the divide, looks to have highs only in the 20s that weekend!

 

one month ago

skinavy wrote:

… take a look at 9-11 Dec… some pretty good periods well <32deg at Liberty, WT, RT.  Poles crossed for an opening sometime the week after!  Certainly by the 17th.

Snowshoe, 7S, West of the divide, looks to have highs only in the 20s that weekend!

Im thinking maybe eve nby the weekend for snowtime hills.Im sure roundtop will at least have a hike park like on turkey day.

 

one month ago

The forecast is looking good for snowmaking for 7springs

12/7 to 12/10 Highs in the 20s lows in the 10s

12/13 to 12/20 never above freezing! 

Hopefully there will be some good natural snow during that stretch too! 

 

one month ago

whitetail and roundtop have the lights on! hopefully they can get their guns on as well!

26 days ago

Look what these educated elites are pushing now. Tis not the season to see brown and red over the pole

 

26 days ago

BAH, HUMBUG!!!

26 days ago
The amount of cold in Siberia blows away the warmer than normal arctic…. The extreme El Nino heat in the Pacific has evaporated..the heat trail has jetted into the Arctic…when this heat is done going up into space we will see a cold rebound…like we even need it after the cold we have had lately!….. Ps…posted from a tent in Venice,fl where it will get down to 59 tonite….Brrrrr..82 tomorrow…thank god for GW!!!!
26 days ago

GW…boo-hiss!

26 days ago

Yesterday the place I skied has GREAT snow making infrastructure.  They were barely 50% open and losing ground fast, bare sports in high traffic areas.  They were trying to make snow with temps in the 40s, blowing fog and mist mostly.  With more warm temps and rain tomorrow the weekend will likely be a brown Christmas waiting til New Years to get terrain open again. Seems like this happens every other year now instead of once every 5-10 years.

26 days ago

Winter makes a comeback by the 29th of Dec….then put ur super woolies on by the 2nd of Jan….Camp will be hiding underground with Owl Bore plotting thier next move….

26 days ago

BUT…it even gets better…..ck out the 5th of Jan…that could be brutal…be careful what u wish for!

25 days ago

fishnski wrote:

BUT…it even gets better…..ck out the 5th of Jan…that could be brutal…be careful what u wish for!

25 days ago
Attaway Fish. Was hoping you’d be able to throw some ice cold on the thread
25 days ago

just graspin for hope Campster….

25 days ago

fishnski wrote:

just graspin for hope Campster….

Hope is all we got.

Make America Cold Again.

25 days ago

camp wrote:

fishnski wrote:

just graspin for hope Campster….

Hope is all we got.

Make America Cold Again.

if not we have this….but then again ..im thinking the fishing would be awesome with all that structure!….make the best with what you have….

25 days ago

i was just curious why noaa sez it will be like this - a great depature from what is posted here. as an engineer with and MS and a good backround in fluid dynamics and statistical modeling why is there such a departure from the below?

 

NOAA 8-14 day

25 days ago

Crush wrote:

why is there such a departure from the below?

 

NOAA 8-14 day

I dunno, good question. I hope either of those pan out. N = usually good. Maybe the 8-14 is just averaged and the blue from the other balances out this week? The GFS maps are temperature - not difference from normal.

25 days ago

The 8 to 14 day map really shows the pattern we are in…the cold cant break into the SEast because of a persistent high pressure ridge….run after run of the wx models show an impressive cold shot looking to swoop down and wallup the east only to get shunted up and back out over NE….same pattern we saw 2.5 months ago and I commented on how at least NE could benefit….

we need that ridge to break down and to get these storms to pass east of us instead of west of us just leaving us the end of storm backside cold wrap… I think odds are that will happen and we could see a good 2nd half to this season…patterns only last so long…but..untill that happens ..
..nah…I wont show you the pic of me n Betterhalfski standing in crystal clear water holding a couple of Coconuts we snatched from a nearby palm down here on the gulf side of FL…just cant do it!

23 days ago

fishnski wrote:

 

..nah…I wont show you the pic of me n Betterhalfski standing in crystal clear water holding a couple of Coconuts we snatched from a nearby palm down here on the gulf side of FL…just cant do it!

no no no! Where! Show us please!!! I actually realized I miss our boat and being a captain and was thinking alot about there lately - just to send me over the edge …

23 days ago

Mr. Fish, 

I think you are getting your white sand dances mixed up with your snow dances.  We are counting on you to quickly fill the Mid-Atlantic mountain skies with white flakes for the sake of all your fellow DCSkiers and the resorts that depend on snow.

Hppy New Year, my DCSki friend!

MorganB

22 days ago

Rat back atya Colonel!…..Variety is the spice of life Crush…cant have all mountains or all Sea….gotta mix it up if u can…im happily stuck in the redneck Triangle…Cape fear coast of NC…West by God Virginia.(WV Alpps.)…gulf coast florida…round and round and round….

Back to the thread….here is what NWS just posted…
“Much colder air can be expected behind the cold front for Thursday night into Friday, creating a decent upslope snow event. If the models continue to show deep moisture with this event, then snow advisories may be needed for the higher elevations of the northern WV mountains.”……

Now….im not a Meterologist….Im a snow monitor…I tell u when it will snow….its going to Snow…

AND….they will need to post a snow advisory!
 

20 days ago

good looking GFS maps

18 days ago

10 inches so far..(WV Alpps)….I have watched news reports from the main stream media that have talked about the huge dump in new england.. they add amounts like 10 inches….big deal!
I hate to upset Camp n crew but the the northern Hemisphere snow coverage is above average….Greenland ice volume is way above aveerage…Greenland is the source of the massive sea level rise that will wipe out Al Bores ocean front multi million buck mansion…..the artic ice is just below ave but growing everyday…almost back within the normal range……
The Arctic ice could be lower because of underwater volcanic activity,,,,
I could go on and on…this is a good news thread so….feel good!

18 days ago
Lol…cherry picking stats….now…that there is funny…have a great new year and xtra fun ski season!
17 days ago

Uggh, our run of fun hits a hopefully temporary bump (if one can believe this govt-funded site run by advanced degreed so-called experts). Hope they’re wrong and that wedge of purple/blue over Montana comes crashing our way

17 days ago

Though the 5-day is warm, the 6-10 looks like at least back into good snowmaking temps. It’s too early for the January Thaw right.

17 days ago

fishnski wrote:

10 inches so far..(WV Alpps)….I have watched news reports from the main stream media that have talked about the huge dump in new england.. they add amounts like 10 inches….big deal!
I hate to upset Camp n crew but the the northern Hemisphere snow coverage is above average….Greenland ice volume is way above aveerage…Greenland is the source of the massive sea level rise that will wipe out Al Bores ocean front multi million buck mansion…..the artic ice is just below ave but growing everyday…almost back within the normal range……
The Arctic ice could be lower because of underwater volcanic activity,,,,
I could go on and on…this is a good news thread so….feel good!

Jay Peak reporting four day storm total of 33 inches. I skied some of it today. Last I checked, it is still on Vermont. ;)

 

17 days ago
Way to nail the jackspot JL…Happy New Beer Bud!…. 2.5 billion tax payers money spread across 13 Federal agancies to fund Obamas Cherry Picking will come to an end soon… The 10 days following Jan 4 look to be very cold in the US..after that we could see a Jan thaw…too eary to tell how and if that will play out… No big storms showing for the mid Atlantic…waiting for the Indices to Align…….60 to 70 below in Siberia right now….now that is a bonafide cherrypick but those are Extreme temps (71 below all time coldest temp ever recorded in the Northern Hemisphere) no matter how you look at it!
16 days ago

fishnski wrote:

Way to nail the jackspot JL…Happy New Beer Bud!…. 2.5 billion tax payers money spread across 13 Federal agancies to fund Obamas Cherry Picking will come to an end soon… The 10 days following Jan 4 look to be very cold in the US..after that we could see a Jan thaw…too eary to tell how and if that will play out… No big storms showing for the mid Atlantic…waiting for the Indices to Align…….60 to 70 below in Siberia right now….now that is a bonafide cherrypick but those are Extreme temps (71 below all time coldest temp ever recorded in the Northern Hemisphere) no matter how you look at it!

 

Well, if one week of REALLY cold cold temps can make up for two to three weeks of really warm warm temps (rinse and repeat) I’m good with that.  Doesn’t seem to be working for the north pole lately.  I could care less what the south pole does because that has less inflouence on my ski resort coverage.  The fool in the White House has no control over the climate other than deciding how and what information relay from the scientists.  Climate will still continue to change regardless of how or if it is reported as such.

 

Back on topic, I’d really like to go ski tomorrow, but forecast is 40s and solid rain all morning up at over 5,000 feet elevation… again,  That isn’t unusual at all for January is it??

Places not all that close to the historical rain snow dividing lines aren’t going to be all that noticibly impacted by a degree or two difference in average annual temperature.  It’s the places that are right on that line that will see amplified effects, fewer ski days in particular. … even with massive additional investments in snow making infrastructure.  Folks up in Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine and up above 9,000 feet in the mid rockies or farther north will be fine for a couple more generations… but are definitely benefiting from better snow making infrastructure as well.

16 days ago

Just got back from a morning sesh at the local. Spring Skiing on New Years Day.

Hoping to be back out tomorrow if the sky isn’t crying rain. One night of snowmaking after about 6-7 nights of none, and now about 5-6 more of none until it gets cold again. We are just a little better than last season, cuz at least we’re open and skiing. The WROD are getting narrower and less white by the day

16 days ago

camp wrote:

Just got back from a morning sesh at the local. Spring Skiing on New Years Day.

Where?

16 days ago

The Colonel wrote:

Where?

Liberty today

16 days ago

This generally bodes well for pending NE/Mid-Atl cold, but it hasn’t exactly been matching with what normally happens with cold air blocking. Disclaimer: this is from a US govt website.

EDIT: to add “Mt. Washington, NH (6,288 ft.) received 93.6 inches of snow in December, 2016.  This is the 2nd highest December snowfall in the station’s 68 year record (1948).  The highest monthly December snowfall total is 103.7 inches recorded in 1968. Bob Leffler/Fearless Weatherman”

so maybe it’s just us on that rain/snow dividing line that was previously mentioned?

16 days ago

camp wrote:

This generally bodes well for pending NE/Mid-Atl cold, but it hasn’t exactly been matching with what normally happens with cold air blocking. Disclaimer: this is from a US govt website.

EDIT: to add “Mt. Washington, NH (6,288 ft.) received 93.6 inches of snow in December, 2016.  This is the 2nd highest December snowfall in the station’s 68 year record (1948).  The highest monthly December snowfall total is 103.7 inches recorded in 1968. Bob Leffler/Fearless Weatherman”

so maybe it’s just us on that rain/snow dividing line that was previously mentioned?

 

 

 

We’re definitely on it.  I heard somethere that warmer air holds more moisture so warmer temps that are still below freezing will facilitate bigger snow dumps.  So, if that is true, it would be pretty good for a couple years before it turns to all rain.  2010 and 2013 were pretty epic years around here.

Again, I don’t think 1-2 or even 3 degrees warmer annually would kill most ski resort friendly regions, only those already right on the edge of viability.  It’s pretty clear that without the HUGE recent snowmaking advancements many of these resorts that were quite viable through the 70s with only natural snow would not be able to keep the lifts turning these days even though it’s only 2 degrees different annually..

16 days ago

camp wrote:

Though the 5-day is warm, the 6-10 looks like at least back into good snowmaking temps. It’s too early for the January Thaw right.

the 6 to 10 day usually sets the trend for the further out model runs even though the further out runs say otherwise…

The negative NAO is not enough to offset the negative PNA….just have to wait for the stars to align…

Crgl….there is not an abnormal problem in the Arctic…there was a small hole that opened up which was claimed to be the first time man has seen it by all the biased propogandist media but his has happened a few times before…google the russian sub that surfaced at the north pole years ago….
then to really make me laugh they say that this man made GW event has not happened for millions of years….wow..who was burning fossil fuels back then?……….when you have 2 once in every 30 to 40 year events of snow falling in the Sahara desert in the last month it will drain the cold from the source…that is just natural…

sure..ill admit that we are in a world temp slump but its nothing as large as hyped and as some of ualls hero once said…”what does it matter at this point?”…we cant do anything about it!….a slump doesnt last forever…

in the meantime we should hold hope that the Northern Hemisphere has an above average snow extent and that the Arctic is not dead like they said it would be by 2013…infact quite the opposite….

This is a great wx news thread…all you negative weenies get ur own thread!

16 days ago

Btw Campster..u like to post the disclaimer about the Govt agencies that you get your info from ….
do you ever post info other than govt ( taxpayer) funded sites?……do you work for the Govt?…
I dont blame any scientist/govt worker for playing the game directed by the higher powers to protect thier way of life……
even a dog can understand that…..

16 days ago

crgildart wrotte

 

We’re definitely on it.  I heard somethere that warmer air holds more moisture so warmer temps that are still below freezing will facilitate bigger snow dumps.  So, if that is true, it would be pretty good for a couple years before it turns to all rain.  2010 and 2013 were pretty epic years around here.

Again, I don’t think 1-2 or even 3 degrees warmer annually would kill most ski resort friendly regions, only those already right on the edge of viability.  It’s pretty clear that without the HUGE recent snowmaking advancements many of these resorts that were quite viable through the 70s with only natural snow would not be able to keep the lifts turning these days even though it’s only 2 degrees different annually..

It wont turn to rain budro…we are having maybe a 1 degree temp rise and that has been capped….we cant help but to have a heat Island effect from the big cities.and all the asphalt layed down..cant fix that unless you fix everyone!…plus we are at or below the Mason Dixon line with low elevation…we are lucky to have ski areas east of the western front Highlands anyway….if we lost those it wouldnt be so bad to have to travel to the high country to ski…roads are so much safer and faster than the old days….I am of the age that remembers many day and nights on those switchbacks!

this water to snow ratio you speak of is actually blown up by cooler temps…its really easy for the western areas to claim a 30 inch dump just to see it deflate to a few inches of mashed potatoe mush because of the low moisture content….been there done that!…Ill take the lush green rainforest of Canaan over the scrubbrush of Colorado…..
 

16 days ago

fishnski wrote:


This is a great wx news thread…all you negative weenies get ur own thread!
……..

Btw Campster..u like to post the disclaimer about the Govt agencies that you get your info from ….
do you ever post info other than govt ( taxpayer) funded sites?

Neg. NAO and Pos. PNA is all i’m talkin’ bout.

I’m looking for non-gov’t Wx sites that cover North America, but other than universities (more dumb elites) I haven’t found any. 

 

15 days ago
Gonna have to head south to NC for the big dump this weekend…Over night GFS went all Bull for DC areas but that run was an anomaly..hope it swings north but that is kinda low chance right now…just a graze..
15 days ago

fishnski wrote:


It wont turn to rain budro…we are having maybe a 1 degree temp rise and that has been capped….we cant help but to have a heat Island effect from the big cities.and all the asphalt layed down..cant fix that unless you fix everyone!…plus we are at or below the Mason Dixon line with low elevation…we are lucky to have ski areas east of the western front Highlands anyway….if we lost those it wouldnt be so bad to have to travel to the high country to ski…roads are so much safer and faster than the old days….I am of the age that remembers many day and nights on those switchbacks!

 

 

Sorry, not a valid excuse here.  I ski above 5K elevation where the surrounding areas within 100 miles are sparsely populated.  It’s great night sky camping terrain with very low light pollution too.  Right now it’s even worse there than it’s ever been this far in to January this century.  I can’t speak for pre 1990s though but I do know that they got by on 100% natural snow in the 70s..

15 days ago

fishnski wrote:

Gonna have to head south to NC for the big dump this weekend…Over night GFS went all Bull for DC areas but that run was an anomaly..hope it swings north but that is kinda low chance right now…just a graze..

 

 

Sorry, going to be all rain until Thursday night or Friday.  Too warm.. unheard of in Januarys of the past.  Thursday night in to Friday will deliver a couple inches but that will be on top of 100% dit and rocks because the rail will have taken out all of the remaining base coverage.  There will be enough cold to blow additional snow and get stuff open by Sunday though it will be at least half manmade, no real powder day.  I might go check it out anyway.  MLK weekend is looking good for our annuwal scout trip though.  That might be the first time anyone around here actually gets to 100% open this season.  I guess that is the new full game on start of ski season going forward.

Biggest dump we ever got in the flatlands was 24” in 2000.  That warmer, moister but still sub freezing air produced super abnormal dumpage! 

15 days ago

crgildart wrote:

fishnski wrote:

 

It wont turn to rain budro…we are having maybe a 1 degree temp rise and that has been capped….we cant help but to have a heat Island effect from the big cities.and all the asphalt layed down..cant fix that unless you fix everyone!…plus we are at or below the Mason Dixon line with low elevation…we are lucky to have ski areas east of the western front Highlands anyway….if we lost those it wouldnt be so bad to have to travel to the high country to ski…roads are so much safer and faster than the old days….I am of the age that remembers many day and nights on those switchbacks!

 

 

Sorry, not a valid excuse here.  I ski above 5K elevation where the surrounding areas within 100 miles are sparsely populated.  It’s great night sky camping terrain with very low light pollution too.  Right now it’s even worse there than it’s ever been this far in to January this century.  I can’t speak for pre 1990s though but I do know that they got by on 100% natural snow in the 70s..

1st of all you say that this is the worst than its ever been this century..but you cant speak for the 90’s…..
2nd..you probably thought the snows were deeper when you were a kid…but didnt take into account that you were knee high to a grasshopper…jus joking but you get my drift!…
you are talking about the NC mountains which are really very southern mtns…back in the 70’s there was a run of above normal snows but that doesnt mean anything….
Records have only been logged for a period that are so miniscule compared to the big pic..( think of a grain of sand in a bucket of sand…that grain is the length of record keeping )..100% natural snow might have been doable for parts of the season on say Appalacian mtn with a 400 vert and 2 runs…
You keep bringing up snow/water ratios but it dont snow if its not freezing and its been snowing and freezing south of the normal freeze line…
Canaan has actually raised there ave annual snow from 150 to 180 now …..Bottom line is you can bitch that things arn’t as good as it gets but thats just life…the good times will come back around……

on another post you poo pawed the fcast for your NC mtns…I dont think you read my post where I was talking about THIS weekend…..and yeh…it rains cat and dogs any time of the winter in the whole east coast..let alone the SE….here is the fcast till more Data comes out….

Colder air arrives Wednesday as the front passes through. Wednesday has some drizzle or spotty light showers. (That could be freezing drizzle Wednesday afternoon at higher elevations.) 

Here is where the “fun” and uncertainty really begins. A secondary push of colder air arrives Thursday. A bit of light snow is possible late Thursday into Friday. Then late Friday or Saturday, low pressure moves across the northern Gulf. That has the potential for a second round of snow. The range of possibilities remains wide. For now just keeping the chance of light snow late Thursday into Friday; then extend the potential for snow into Saturday. Whatever happens with the snow, it’s going to be VERY COLD!

15 days ago

fishnski wrote:

crgildart wrote:

fishnski wrote:

 

It wont turn to rain budro…we are having maybe a 1 degree temp rise and that has been capped….we cant help but to have a heat Island effect from the big cities.and all the asphalt layed down..cant fix that unless you fix everyone!…plus we are at or below the Mason Dixon line with low elevation…we are lucky to have ski areas east of the western front Highlands anyway….if we lost those it wouldnt be so bad to have to travel to the high country to ski…roads are so much safer and faster than the old days….I am of the age that remembers many day and nights on those switchbacks!

 

 

Sorry, not a valid excuse here.  I ski above 5K elevation where the surrounding areas within 100 miles are sparsely populated.  It’s great night sky camping terrain with very low light pollution too.  Right now it’s even worse there than it’s ever been this far in to January this century.  I can’t speak for pre 1990s though but I do know that they got by on 100% natural snow in the 70s..

1st of all you say that this is the worst than its ever been this century..but you cant speak for the 90’s…..
2nd..you probably thought the snows were deeper when you were a kid…but didnt take into account that you were knee high to a grasshopper…jus joking but you get my drift!…
you are talking about the NC mountains which are really very southern mtns…back in the 70’s there was a run of above normal snows but that doesnt mean anything….
 

 

Umm “this century” started January 1st 2,000.  Prior to that I lived elsewhere.  I did study the history of the resorts here somewhat and they appear to have been quite viable in the latter half of the 1900s when they were started.  8 of the past 10 seasons have all been late bloomers..  That’s more than an anecdote.  That’s pushing trend territory.

 

All that really matters is here and now, post human history industrial revolution where humans rule the earth when it comes to man caused climate change.  It’s pretty rich how the denial crowd loves to pine about temps and CO2 levels eons ago when the earth was a magma blobo or recovering from a massive asteroid strike or super volcano.  Yes, those events and the weather they produced was far more extreme, but we weren’t here to have to deal with it much less wanting to ski in it.  It’s impossible to be objective and ignore the trend of resorts that have had to either shut down or add millions of dollars worth of snow making infrastructure where just 50 years ago they were quite viable with only mother natrure providing the base.  That’s a “blip” to us.. 

 

Again, as mentioned it all boils down to ..  will that one week of super cold/high snow delivery make up for those other 3 weeks of above average temps and rain? In  places farther south that used to be viable the answer is no..  That line will move north and west.  It won’t hurt most of us up way past the current snow/rain lines initially, but 100 years from now it very well could.  Rinse and repeat as un necessary..

15 days ago

ur right..my bad..I was thinking a whole century…so solly….
A trend with 8 out of 10 is not….If I had to put money on it the odds are that the next 10 years would ave out at or above ave….
the average annual snow for Beech mtn is 70 inches…exactly what they got last year…
BTW…I remember a snow storm on Mt Mitchell early oct this…last year…

15 days ago

fishnski wrote:

ur right..my bad..I was thinking a whole century…so solly….
A trend with 8 out of 10 is not….If I had to put money on it the odds are that the next 10 years would ave out at or above ave….
the average annual snow for Beech mtn is 70 inches…exactly what they got last year…
BTW…I remember a snow storm on Mt Mitchell early oct this…last year…

Again it isn’t about total snowfall but temps staying cold enough to keep and pack base.  100 inches that melts 10 days later sucks way worse than 50 inches that stays cold for 2 months.  We don’t need any snow at all now with guns, just cold.. which we are getting in short hard bursts seperated by long warm spells (aka chaotic swings).. It averages out but doesn’t facilitate preserving base.

15 days ago

crgildart wrote:

fishnski wrote:

ur right..my bad..I was thinking a whole century…so solly….
A trend with 8 out of 10 is not….If I had to put money on it the odds are that the next 10 years would ave out at or above ave….
the average annual snow for Beech mtn is 70 inches…exactly what they got last year…
BTW…I remember a snow storm on Mt Mitchell early oct this…last year…

Again it isn’t about total snowfall but temps staying cold enough to keep and pack base.  100 inches that melts 10 days later sucks way worse than 50 inches that stays cold for 2 months.  We don’t need any snow at all now with guns, just cold.. which we are getting in short hard bursts seperated by long warm spells (aka chaotic swings).. It averages out but doesn’t facilitate preserving base.

I cant get the site to let me copy n paste so you will hopefully trust my ;post…the average annual temp in Boone NC has actually lowered from 52.5 in the late 1930’s to 50.5 now….that is dramatic and shows how hot it was in the 30’s….
Ill add so as not to cherry pick that the average snowfall has lowered in those same years…cant understand that..but thats the facts as I can find them…good debate Cdart…im heading out to grill a steak in low 80’s here in FL…if ya cant beat em…join em!!!!

14 days ago

European model threw a 20”+ forecast for central flatland NC this Saturday the other day.  Weather geeks were laughing at all the hysteria over that.  Every run of the Euro since only drops an inch or two here.  I’ve seen 20”+ here in January of 2,000.  It shut the Triangle down for a week hahaha.  Mountains aren’t lining up well to get a big dump from this either, but it could still happen.  If it does, I recommend sticking to the middle of  where the WRODs run.  Anyplace else there still won’t be enough packed base to keep from totally destroying your skis.  Ski shops around Boone will be repairing a lot of damage hahaha.

14 days ago
I lived in Raleigh during that Blizzard CDart…I had just got back to my Apt complex from doing Buisness at the coast just as the roads turned white…at 4am I took our dog out for a walk in huge drifts and hurricane like conditions with Snow going sideways and then heading Straight up Telephone poles…ur right..stuck at the complex for a week..I being a transplant from up north had the only Snow shovel and leased it out for a six pack at a time….set up some great sledding runs with blackberry brandy stains up and down the run!….good time memories…24 inches..24 hrs..all time record..then we had Hurricane Floyd…500 year flood… only in North Carolina!!
14 days ago
Ill add that when I headed out that morn it was just supposed to snow an inch and then turn into ice then rain…typical for raliegh…..but as the day wore on I would hear…1 to 2..then 2 to 3..then 4..then 6..then as I was wrapping up buis and was a 2 hr ride from home I heard the broadcasters say 8 to 12…then came back and said..”folks..we are hearing some crazy numbers from the weather people..we dont know how much we could get but its coming and will be huge!”…..I put the pedal to the metal!!!!
14 days ago

This is a peculiar exchange, fishnski your point seems to be that there is nothing peculiar or portentious about the patterns emerging,  I think that’s delusional, without the ramped up efforts and technology for snow making we would be in deep trouble, and for those of us who love natural snow the trouble seems deep already.  You keep gloating about being on the coast while also saying concerns about snow in the mountains here are unfounded.  I’ve read a lot of your stuff and gloating in that way seems to contradict your ongoing argument of nothing unique to see here, all is well for winter in the mid-atlantic.

 

By the way I always admire Northeasters pulling the trump card on blizzards, I was here for the 2 foot storms but was well prepared for it by growing up in Texas— Amarillo  3600 ft

14 days ago
I used to live in the DC area Kemp…thats where I fell in love with Canaan valley 25 years ago. I also love natural snow and after skiing for years in Cold and dry and spruceless PA areas discovering Canaan was a Godsend….. I used to drive to canaan almost every weekend and eventually bought an acre of land..I could barely make the payments and could only dream of building a house there…. I have experienced many many years of weather there and researched all recorded past wx records…I go way back to Gordan Barnes and the weather guy b4 him in the DC area… I finally after 15 years of dreaming built my home on my acre..here is another gloat..shield ur eyes..with the best view in WV… I now spend 2 month a year up there bouncing back and forth from the coast where im proud to gloat about….I dont gloat about trips out west or overseas because like others here.. ive worked very hard and paid my dues for my gloat..donr read my posts. That simple… my only point to my posts on climate change is to try to offset the way way overboard hype on the matter…every day I read false or extremely misleading stories out there…its endless BS… our ski areas here in the mid atlantic have NEVER been able to survive without snowmaking…period… The average snowfall is higher now in canaan than my 1st trip there..we have always had a really crap year between epic ones…its friggin wx in the mid Atlantic….its all about which way the wind blows and there never seems to be a bitch when it blows from the north..the cold always seems to be there. What is your point anyway Kemp?…besides being rude.. (Typed real fast from phone)
14 days ago
Looking at some latest Data there is a chance a place like Myrtle Beach South..south Carolina might get a taste of snow this weekend… Whoda thunk that in these dire times…now with all the dying Polar Bears and Caribou we are going to have to worry about the dying Alligators…Geesh.. oh well..if the cold dont kill em the sea rise will..Gators live in fresh water….
14 days ago
I had to laugh..I cked out your 1st post here on Dcski Kempski…u were moaning about being stuck with a season pass at Snowshoe because you had plans to ski Cvr…blue knob…and then planned to ski Oregon…Idaho and Colorado… must be nice!…
14 days ago

prolonged efforts to deny the increasingly obvious changes in climate give me a headache.  Was I rude? Sorry altho you don’t strike me as easily offended or unopiniated yourself.  Interesting interpretation of my posts. Regarding gloating I wasn’t talking about success or anything of the sort, I feel pretty fortunate (could be an illusion) I mean the attitude of even if the climate is warming I don’t care, I’ll stay at the beach; at least that’s how I perceived it.  But I could be wrong about that too.  Snowmaking even a decade ago couldn’t rival what we benefit from now, I put this in the castegory of technical advances that may ward off effects of a warming planet for awhile, and maybe as patterns change we’ll be in a fortunate zone.

My son moved back from Oregon, pretty poor timing because winter is going huge there this year, glad I got the oppurtunity to see and ski Mt. Hood and view Ranier from Crystal, it’s a big old beautiful country.  Someday I’ll make it to Idaho, Targhee, Montana,etc. but speaking of weather I cut that trip short, they were at less than10% of their average snowpack that February, should be good this year in CO though and I’ll be there soon.

Hope this storm delivers and me and my sons will hit Beech or Sugar this weekend, Canaan Valley was beautiful last weekend, hope to get in the trees there soon.  It would be nice if they can hold onto some snow for more than three days.

13 days ago

Anybody watch Nat Geo documentary “Before the Flood”?  Agree or not, you should watch it. Btw the astronaut/scientist recently past away. Here’s a skier perspective one worth your time https://youtu.be/pbtgNVykEpg

I feel the science outweighs the BS.

13 days ago

Chris Bailey used to be based in WV.  His maps border Snowshoe now.  I’m rooting for the high end of his 2 - 6 prediction. It ain’t much but it’s better than nothing.

13 days ago

Big storm cycle out west right now.  Believe most everywhere from Tahoe to PNW, to UT to CO got a foot or two starting around Jan 1 and looks like they’ll get another one to two feet or more of snow between Jan 4-7, 2016.  Tahoe people are talking like this is their best ski conditions in five or six years.

13 days ago

http://www.onthesnow.com/california/skireport.html 

they are expecting another 2 feet over the weekend.

i am still on the sidelines as shoulder recovers.  Carolyn and I leave tomorrow for a 2 week trip to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego.

13 days ago

Denis wrote:

http://www.onthesnow.com/california/skireport.html 

they are expecting another 2 feet over the weekend.

Mammoth’s powder alert I received today says 2 to 4 ft.

13 days ago

fishnski wrote:

I had to laugh..I cked out your 1st post here on Dcski Kempski…u were moaning about being stuck with a season pass at Snowshoe because you had plans to ski Cvr…blue knob…and then planned to ski Oregon…Idaho and Colorado… must be nice!…

I can assure you that Kemper is no poser and probably makes the cheapest ski trips known to mankind and is always gracious about it.  If you can find him it’s worth it.  

Meanwhile, I saw where Solitude and others are reporting 38+ in the last 72 hours.  How nice that must be and man i wish i was back there just one more time right now.  just a dream however.  

 

13 days ago

pagamony wrote: 

Meanwhile, I saw where Solitude and others are reporting 38+ in the last 72 hours.  How nice that must be and man i wish i was back there just one more time right now.  just a dream however.  

 

Email yesterday from my son in SLC (I’m going out there in two weeks): 

Utah is getting hammered with snow right now. We got 2 feet yesterday, we will get another 2 feet tonight into Thursday, and then we will get yet another 2 feet Monday and Tuesday. So if everything lines up in place that’s like 6 ft over an 8 day span.

13 days ago

kemperski wrote:

 

Hope this storm delivers and me and my sons will hit Beech or Sugar this weekend, Canaan Valley was beautiful last weekend, hope to get in the trees there soon.  It would be nice if they can hold onto some snow for more than three days.

I wouldn’t count on that.  This storm’s supposed to be fueled by moisture circulating in from the Atlantic.  Heavist snow totals are probably going to be east of I95.  Mountains may not get any.  There’s almost nothing left there right now.  Tomorrow night they will finally get cold enough to start making snow again to salvage the WRODs and maybe start expanding.  You’ll be skiing in a whiteout of furious snow cannons this weekend for sure.  Bring your goggle skigee.  You will need it.  The cold snap has arrived just in time to save the resorts, keep people employed, and extending in to next week set things much better for MLK Day weekend.  We’ll be there Sunday and Monday.  Got a room in Boone Sunday night.  Gonna pass on this weekend though.  Next weekend will be WAY better.

13 days ago

I just put a hell of a long reply to you Kempski but some how I fumbled the click…
sooo..this will suck because i am not going to put that kind of effort back into this one…
I just thought that you had threw a cheap shot at me not knowing of my history to canaan that continues today….like “you just sit at the beach while we are living it while you are mouthing off on BS…”

nobody loves the Wv alpps more than me..as much …not more…and i have promoted the Valley for years to anyone that will listen…and still to this day drive up there from long distances…lots of effort…
I do have a problem with your holier than thou statement of fact about this so called climate change….I have an endless basket of graphs, facts, commentary ect to match anything you want to produce which so far is just a flippant remark..

it is hard to even have a conversation nowadays with anyone on this climate thing because of the barrage of propoganda that is plastered into the brains,,

this is  soooo much shorter version  but even though i say that a place like canaan has a higher annual snowfall now than back in the day..one could argue..yeh..but it melts faster!..well..i can show you the last 16 years of the amount of days that snow has laid on the ground and there is no trend….

My man Cdart says that this kind of weather in January is unheard of…well…back in the 70’s when I woke up one morning excited to be skiing up at Blueknob it was 60 degrees and pouring in mid Jan…this wasnt too long after the chesapeake froze over solid!…

the biggest problem I have is the thought that a govt could take a huge chunk of my income to try to combat what i feel is a minute warming that could just be cyclical…Do any of you ever walk out of the house and say..wow…we really need to do something about this weather…..do you really feel this warming..or is it a figment of your imagination?

Yeh…the Snow train out west has been amazing…everyday I wake up..ck the radar and its dumping in the NW….
I used to live in Washington State and have a good feel of the weather there…the passes are not much over 3000’ in elevation… at these times of reported warming to see a moisture stream off of the relatively warmer Pacific produce snow and temps in the low to mid 20’s is quite remarkable…or maybe normal?..or close to it…

I leave you with this….

.

The argument is that the 1930s were hotter, globally.

To begin, we know that by the far in the 1930s the US had the most extensive and reliable set of thermometer stations in the world, so greater weighting should be given to the US. Further, a 1975 National Academy of Sciences chart shows the Northern Hemisphere (64% of land) in the 1930s to be way hotter than 1975, and no way could the mild warming since the 1970s have overtaken the extensive cooling from 1940-75. Indeed, the data manipulators have erased the mid-20th century cooling, and done extensive manipulations to *supplement* the warming effect of the urban heat island and of the vanishing rural stations (especially from the old USSR).

What we got is parking lot warming, and spreadsheet warming. But not warming in reality.

What’s more, if we had actually had a century of runaway global warming then of course it would follow that the record for the hottest days in the world and on the various continents would have been set very recently (every year is “the hottest year ever” so…), and the coldest days should be a distant memory. Well, the reality is the opposite: in 6 out of the 7 continents the record for the hottest day was set before the record for the coldest day. That’s inexplicable, unless it was hotter in the past than now:

Years Hottest & Coldest Day Record Were Set:
The World : : Hot 1913 Cold 1983
Europe : : Hot 1977 Cold 1978
Asia : : Hot 1942 Cold 1933
Africa : : Hot 1931 Cold 1935
Australia : : Hot 1960 Cold 1974
South America : : Hot 19o5 Cold 1907
North America : : Hot 1913 Cold 1947
Antarctica : : Hot 1974 Cold 1983





 

 

13 days ago

So riddle me this…  Why wouldn’t island or asphalt or parking lot caused heat warming be human caused wearming???  Acting like that doesn’t count as AGW is pretty hypocritical.  It’s the same science that purports that less polar ice reflets less sun back out ot space and warms the water more. We do still get decent extent, but not for as many days of the year… Ice recedes longer in to fall/winter than it used to.  recovers OK but then melts quicker and longer..

13 days ago

There are all kinds of feedbacks in weather…the man made infrastructure is Baked in ..so to speak…nothing you can do about that…
this shorter season you speak of is false Cdart..I saw the 1st snows way up north in august..I was surprised to see it…Ill have to watch this melt..
This goes against my conservative/libertarian thinking but lets give a tax credit to anyone that paints their roofs white…

can you argue that this minute warming we are seeing has a negative effect on our lives?…There are endless positives…..

13 days ago

Number of skiable days per season at White Grass has remained the same since they opened in 1979.

13 days ago

Fishnski, I have no doubt you love the Canaan Valley region, I’m a newbie and a tourist to the area and I already love it so I shouldn’t project your quips to mean you don’t care about it.  So perhaps a cheap shot on my part.

 

You complain about the hysteria and quasi-religious aspect of enviromentalism but you seem really didactic, inflexible and demeaning to anyone who disagrees with you.  I cannot debate point by point minutia on climate change but like any intelligent person I don’t have to, we choose credible information and try to sift it reasonably — you are on the other side of a divide that I see as credible and growing science.  But I could be wrong.  You seem to have consporacy theories of some academic global elite bent on gouging hardworking folks for tax dollars.  I see an outdated trillion dollar industry fighting to squeeze the last dollar at any enviromental cost and to the detriment of my childrens future.  I see nothing but harm and futility in that path and considerable hope in leading the way to develop alternatives.

 

Perhaps we are both zealots

13 days ago

your post reminds me of a an interesting poem that if  you read it backward it would mean something different…
You are way more articulate than me..I grew up in the hood…but your posts have no beef…with all due respect…

Bonski…watched your vid….thx for posting…loved it especially since my 2 nieces just went there for a trip…BUT…another fluff piece for GW…its endles…..
how the frick do you explain the record ice in Greenland?….
Greenland is the main scource for Sea Rise and all these Pacific Islands that have Hustled the world for all kinds of money to save their precious little Islands are now living high on the hog as they advertise these great beaches to lure more money in from the tourist….friggin Niave chumps we are….
I have not noticed a hair of sea level rise from my vantage point and I have watched for 40 some odd years..

13 days ago

camp wrote:

Number of skiable days per season at White Grass has remained the same since they opened in 1979.

Wuzz up Campster?….u were the one that got me all stirred up u Rascal….r u for real with that stat?

13 days ago

fishnski wrote:

Wuzz up Campster?….u were the one that got me all stirred up u Rascal….r u for real with that stat?

I wuz on a commercial/private wx history site today (but they still get their data from govt, sooooo) looking at Elkins temps from 1926-2016. I only looked at Jan of each year and tried to graph it using the mean temp for the month, figuring January is as close to winter as we get. I couldn’t make an efficient pretty graph from the spreadsheet, but what i saw looked relatively flat. I didn’t have the motivation to get Dec, Jan, and Feb, average those, and then graph them. 

13 days ago

your Hired!!!

13 days ago

You have heard of the Alberta Clipper?…..I call this the Lake Tahoe Clipper….look at that train of moisture coming off the Pacific slamming the Sierras with maybe 10 to 15…FEET of snow…good news is the drought there will be wiped out….
as cold as it is in our region it wont take much moisture to fluff up a nice blanket of sweetness …..looks like JimK.will be doing some sampling tomorrow up in the alpps (Alpine in the Apps )..anyone else?…….(Drat….its up dating…image will lose its effect I guess…)

13 days ago

camp wrote:

Number of skiable days per season at White Grass has remained the same since they opened in 1979.

They operate on 100% natural right? It would be interesting to see if they have more or less terrain open on average

12 days ago

The number of skiable days per year (with the number of days when all 50 km was open) used to be shown on the Whitegrass website. Can’t seem to find it now.

12 days ago

Looks like 6” on the NC mountains Friday-Saturday afternoon.  Wish there was base to put that on but every little bit helps.  They will now doubt pack it down right away and keep guns blasting all weekend.  We need more coverage to ramp up for MLK weekend.

12 days ago

wgo wrote:

The number of skiable days per year (with the number of days when all 50 km was open) used to be shown on the Whitegrass website. Can’t seem to find it now.

Chip and company probably could tell us how many 50K days each season had were we to ask

This is linked from WG’s page. http://data.canaanmtnsnow.com.

I looked at Table 12.3 Mean daily temperature from 1999-2016

I’m sure someone handy with spreadsheets could turn this into a line graph or something. From that table I can say that last year was colder than the oldest recorded year* in Canaan*. Yea, it’s funny to me too.

*recorded by that website observer

 

12 days ago

Snowfall data in CV from 1944/45 thru 2006/07 available here:

http://www.whitegrass.com/downloads/CV.snowfall.totals.doc

No temperature data available at that link, unfortunately.

 

12 days ago

wgo wrote:

Snowfall data in CV from 1944/45 thru 2006/07 available here:

http://www.whitegrass.com/downloads/CV.snowfall.totals.doc

No temperature data available at that link, unfortunately.

 

I don’t see any real problem in that data. I even isolated December to see if early season snowfall looked to be declining.  It doesn’t show that way in this data.   It appears that in terms of natural snow CV hasn’t been higher or lower on average in a big way back in the 50s than they were in the 00s.  2 degrees globally isn’t a big deal to them like it is to people on the coast where sea level rise and bigger storm surges could be.  I’d like to see similar data for the NC resorts because we are definitely right on the make or break point for ski resort viability.

12 days ago
Canaan suffers from a nasty warm wedge when we get those SW winds…many times its very warm but down lower towards DC it can still be freezing…. Checking Dulles airport stats… the last 10 years have seen snow totals 3.3 inches above ave…the temps are running 1.4 inches above ave…… these records started in 1962 and parts of the 60’s were cold n snowy …. Dulles was out in the Sticks back then but since im sure there has been some heat island effect on temps…plus..temp guage hopefully isnt too close to these more powerful jet blasts!
12 days ago

Bonzski wrote:

Denis wrote:

http://www.onthesnow.com/california/skireport.html 

they are expecting another 2 feet over the weekend.

Mammoth’s powder alert I received today says 2 to 4 ft.

Their latest alert just in…

Day 2 of this mega-storm has brought storm totals to over 3 feet at Main Lodge and over 7 feet at the summit. Forecasts are calling for 2 more systems to move through Mammoth the next 5 days with huge snowfall predictions. The weekend weather will bring high winds, heavy snowfall and lift holds across the mountain

11 days ago

I want to save this point in time….   Check out these 72 hour and 7 day totals…. Check out Wolf Creek reporting a 100+” base.   What did Whitetail get in the first snowpocalypse - mabye 36”?   

 

Resort Name 24 Hour Snow 48 Hour 72 Hour 7 Days Base Depth User Rating
          Lower/Upper  

Homewood Mountain Resort

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

0” 28” 54” 89” 35” - 92” 

3.2

Squaw Valley - Alpine Meadows

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 5

0” 30” 53” 83” 60” - 117” 

3.4

Tahoe Donner

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

10” 30” 52” 77” 52” - 64” 

3.2

June Mountain

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 5

0” 48” 72” 76” 12” - 48” 

3.2

Diamond Peak

Nevada, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

0” 40” 57” 74” 30” - 72” 

3

Northstar California

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

0” 29” 47” 74” 50” - 91” 

3.6

Sierra-at-Tahoe

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

0” 13” 35” 66” 60” - 84” 

3.6

Kirkwood

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

0” 19” 30” 64” 50” - 84” 

3.7

Heavenly Mountain Resort

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

0” 30” 42” 64” 41” - 76” 

3.9

Soda Springs

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 5

0” 36” 62” 62” 6” - 12” 

3

Mt. Rose - Ski Tahoe

Nevada, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

1” 13” 32” 61” 93” - 93” 

3.3

Solitude Mountain Resort

Utah, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

0” 15” 19” 57” N/A - 80” 

3.4

Wolf Creek Ski Area

Colorado, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 6

13” 25” 29” 57” 99” - 109” 

3.5

Boreal Mountain Resort

California, USA

Last Updated: 1/ 4

0” 0” 26” 55” 82” - 82” 
11 days ago

Hey Pagamony, I thought I was finally going to ski Mt Ocaneechee,  but doesn’t look like thet will happen

11 days ago

kemper - unfortunately.  no hucking the quarry.  no winding access road.  get out your rock skis (aka mountain bike).   I got a thin crunchy cover on the yard.  global warming shifted the freezing line to the north too late.  …. one day…

10 days ago

Global Cooling shifted the powder line south and East to the Land of Canaan…working on a 2 day 10 inch snowfall (little more this aft/eve on backside upslope ) of the Lightest Utah Light ultra soft  n Fluffy powder…..40 to 1 water to Snow ratio that has fallen softly in light winds…

I was going to wait a few days for this storm and others around the world to add to the big pic…but why wait..it allready tells the big story…….DROPPING THE MIC……..

10 days ago

Yay for cold.  They’re blowing as much snow as we have falling from the clouds this weekend and probably all next week.  Might be finally 100% open game on for MLK weekend.  We’ll be there next weekend Sunday/Monday.

 

Farther north looks pretty great.  We’ve got just enough to sled on here, but not enough to take rock skis out in.  I was hoping to try out my tele gear around the neighborhood this weekend for giggles, but that would take 6 more inches on top of the dust on crust we got so far..

10 days ago

fishnski wrote:

…. allready tells the big story…….DROPPING THE MIC……..

I’d love to find this same map from Jan 6 from 2007, 1997, 1987 etc… But not right now, gotta make the turns on the cold spruceless PA farm hills….

10 days ago

A look at the FIS Wrold Cup competition schedule and cancellations over the past 50 years might also tell the big picture.  Last season Europe had to cancell all the early season conpetions, This season the US and Europe cancelled several early season competitions.  Up til last week, most of Europe was only skiable above 2,000 meters. 

 

I do think we’re getting more spring skiing than in the past.  Problem is resorts would prefer the cold and snow Thanksgiving through President’s Day instead of MLK Day through Easter..

10 days ago
I’ll be at Massanutten for a few turns Monday afternoon. The rest of the week after that looks to be warmer and maybe rainy. I’ll be at snowshoe on January 23-24 with the family. Hopefully it won’t be too warm and rainy between now and then.
10 days ago

camp wrote:

fishnski wrote:

…. allready tells the big story…….DROPPING THE MIC……..

I’d love to find this same map from Jan 6 from 2007, 1997, 1987 etc… But not right now, gotta make the turns on the cold spruceless PA farm hills….

Ive looked and the oldest date that I could find was a week b4 this date back in 1997….20 years ago…

10 days ago

fishnski wrote:

Ive looked and the oldest date that I could find was a week b4 this date back in 1997….20 years ago…

 

Well, a week earlier. That explains it.

can’t trust that govt data anyway

10 days ago

After years and years of catastophic doomsday predictictions…911 farenheit B the frick S….Arctic ice gone by 2007…2010..2012…2013…..Polor bears starving…Carabou drownng…Searise that will swamp Al Gores multi million dollar beach side mansion funded by all us gullible weenies……OH…the Glaciers are going!!!!…LOL…they have been since the last ice age…
Greenland ice melt to cause another ice age…..almost everyday on the Liberal loving news sites I read these articles….
But here we are after all these years….years recorded way back b4 1997 when this hystaria began….and what have we got?…maybe more snow and ice? 
 

10 days ago

So sorry Folks…we all have those moments when you realize you have been Duped…….
Im not a Scientist…Im a scientist Monitor….I tell you when you have been Duped…..You have been Duped…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 days ago

fishnski wrote:

Im not a Scientist…Im a scientist Monitor….I tell you when you have been Duped…..You have been Duped…

now that’s funny

10 days ago

Single digit temps tomorrow and Monday then back up to the 60s with rain around Thursday.  One week of KICK ASS weather followed by horrible weather rinse and repeat..  We had fun playing in the 3” of snow today though.  Looks like we’ll have to travel farther north to do better.

10 days ago

We have two street hockey goals and a bunch of sticks.  The roads have a good inch of packed ice.  I’m thinking tomorrow would be a great day to drag them out to the street and play sone real hockey.. A bit bumpy, few tire tread lines,  perhaps boot hockey but still, the puck will skoot pretty well on it.

10 days ago
I know that weather forecasts more than 5 days out don’t mean much, but it is still worth noting that starting Tuesday there is a chance of rain at snowshoe every single day for the next two weeks. Every. Single. Day.
9 days ago

Five degrees tomorrow then up to 68 by Friday.  Sure those kind if swings used to happen all the time???  Not normal for that to happen year after year post 2,000?  Two years ago I had to mow the lawn in January.  In my 50 plus years living everywhere between Texas and Minnesota, and parts east to Long Island I never saw a northern hemisphere lawn that needed mowning in January prior to this century. Might be the norm in south Florida or Houston, but never anywhere north of Dallas in my lifetime until very recently.  It that was typical in the early and mid 1900s I’m off base, but it’s different when the major experts’ findings agree with our anectodal evidence than it is when they disagree with our anecdotal evidence… because they are experts and we are not..

This just in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/global-warming-hiatus-never-happened-say-climate-scientists-1.3922378

 

Sure, there was a 14 year period where the warming was only 1/3rd of what was projected, but it has almost caught back up with those projections.. call it a systemic correction.  It’s a very complex set of systems, but the models aren’t that far off now.

 

Enjoy the shorter cold spells and big dumps they bring.  I plan to.  MLK Day and President’s Day big base spring skiing FTW!  Our great grand kids won’t have this in NC if the experts are even half right..

9 days ago

camp wrote:

fishnski wrote:

Im not a Scientist…Im a scientist Monitor….I tell you when you have been Duped…..You have been Duped…

now that’s funny

You are  finally starting to get Mr. Fish.

 

9 days ago

wgo wrote:

I know that weather forecasts more than 5 days out don’t mean much, but it is still worth noting that starting Tuesday there is a chance of rain at snowshoe every single day for the next two weeks. Every. Single. Day.

Lots of precipitation this year, but temps haven’t cooperated. For the most part, Northern VT has dodged the temp bullet and is having a good year. Some great skiing a week ago.

With the exception of rare years like last year, there seems to be at least a three week period where winter sneaks up on you. Remember skiing TLine with Denis and me and TimR about a decade ago? It was winter then (early March IIRC), but the first half of that year was rough. 

9 days ago

crgildart wrote:

Five degrees tomorrow then up to 68 by Friday.  Sure those kind if swings used to happen all the time???  Not normal for that to happen year after year post 2,000?  Two years ago I had to mow the lawn in January.  In my 50 plus years living everywhere between Texas and Minnesota, and parts east to Long Island I never saw a northern hemisphere lawn that needed mowning in January prior to this century. Might be the norm in south Florida or Houston, but never anywhere north of Dallas in my lifetime until very recently.  It that was typical in the early and mid 1900s I’m off base, but it’s different when the major experts’ findings agree with our anectodal evidence than it is when they disagree with our anecdotal evidence… because they are experts and we are not..

This just in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/global-warming-hiatus-never-happened-say-climate-scientists-1.3922378

 

Sure, there was a 14 year period where the warming was only 1/3rd of what was projected, but it has almost caught back up with those projections.. call it a systemic correction.  It’s a very complex set of systems, but the models aren’t that far off now.

 

Enjoy the shorter cold spells and big dumps they bring.  I plan to.  MLK Day and President’s Day big base spring skiing FTW!  Our great grand kids won’t have this in NC if the experts are even half right..

Im with ya Cdart on these extreme swings….I do remember gully washers in between cold snaps but they seemed to be an Anomoly…It seems like Mamma nature is unsettled and is trying to over compensate by pushing too much energy south just to exaust herself and have the warm rush back in…
I also do not remembering experiencing anything sub zero in Canaan for the first 8 years of going there but it seems to occur regularly now…I wish I had my book on Canaan weather dating back to the early 1900,s but its not with me…

with that said our personal records cannot even attempt to come close to what is normal…maybe what we remember was the abnormal and this is closer to normal…plus as we are having an extreme cold snap here in the lower 48 it is also cold and snowy across the Northern Hemi…the Island of Crete in the Med has had Heavy snow right up to those much much warmer ocean temps your article states…….look at OC Md….you would think that this warmer ocean would at least have an affect and not allow the snow to fall right on the beach…you would think there would be a few miles of buffer from the warmer ocean…

We are coming up on a crap pattern again…the extreme cold seems to slide off of Siberia and extend way out into the pacific cooling the ocean but losing some steam and then hitting our west coast and then shaving back up north into this endless circle dance that we see around the pole….
Ill also add that I used to argue with my wife who had been spending chrismas with her family in Florida for years that it was always cold at that time period there.(my experience )…she used to argue that over the years she had more 80 degree days than cooler ones…well ..now im starting to see those temps finally and today Florida is the only state in the union without some snow on the ground including Hawaii……(No Gloat Kempski…im jonesing for some snow…will get my fix later)….

We have to think of the Big Pic…technically we are still coming out of the ice age…What is normal…what is happening now?….is there anything we could do about it anyway…are we not seeing some real benifits from some warming?..
how much have we really warmed…judging by Satilite temps since records began in 1979..not much…but that will depend on whos info you are going by…….remember….
SCIENCE IS THE BELIEF IN THE IGNORANCE OF THE EXPERTS….or thier agenda….
Im done…wish everyone some good conditions down the slope…hoping for a great end of season…im going to need it….
Sorry for the Spruceless cold hills remark Campster, PA is an extremely scenic and homey place…peace in the middle east.. thats the mid atlantic eastern ski areas!!

9 days ago

Northstar, Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows are closed due to “challenging weather” today. Translation, a foot of warm rain washed away several feet of cold snow  and loaded up what’s left on steeps so slides are happening all over:-(

 

http://forum.pugski.com/attachments/screen-shot-2017-01-08-at-10-01-03-am-png.18212/

9 days ago

Guess im never done….
its warm ..no dought..its called the Pineapple express…a river of moisture sreaming straight from the tropics and smacking into the sierras….warm air rises…
it will turn back into snow late tonite and dump another 4 feet…..when the east is in the grips of an arctic onslought..(-2 at canaan hts at 1 pm…)…it is warm out west…also warmer up in AK…when we get back to the bitching warmth here a place like Barrow AK doesnt get out of below 0 temps……

9 days ago

But thats Great weather news sCidart!….Ca sure needs it…thx for posting…

9 days ago

crgildart wrote:

Northstar, Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows are closed due to “challenging weather” today. Translation, a foot of warm rain washed away several feet of cold snow  and loaded up what’s left on steeps so slides are happening all over:-(

 

http://forum.pugski.com/attachments/screen-shot-2017-01-08-at-10-01-03-am-png.18212/

9 days ago

Holy crap, look at the temps.. several feet of cement about to dump..

 

Today’s a bit gusty.  They can’t run the lifts at all.

 

Looks like I need to quit complaining about limited terrain and having to ski mostly manmade year round in Appalacia these days.  There is such a thing as too much snow, especially if it is heavy wet snow. Next week will be WAY better here than there.  Not exactly “Great weather news”, but better here than there news for sure..

9 days ago

CDART….

its over Johnny!!!!!!…..
dont know if u know it cdart but Sierra Cement has been around since the Global Cooling Hysteria of the 70’s…

9 days ago

hawaii…

9 days ago

http://Icy temperatures across Europe have left more than 20 people dead and blanketed even the Greek islands and southern Italy in snow. Italy saw ferries and flights cancelled and schools in the south are expected to close on Monday. Turkey has also been badly affected. The Bosphorus was closed to shipping as a heavy snowstorm hit Istanbul. At least 10 people died of cold in Poland. Night temperatures in Russia plunged to minus 30C. Normally milder Greece has witnessed temperatures of minus 15C in the north where an Afghan migrant died of cold last week and roads were closed. Jump media playerMedia player helpOut of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionBBC Weather presenter Chris Fawkes: The weather is bringing “snow where you might not expect it” In Athens, the temperature failed to rise above 0C and several of the islands were covered in snow. Some of the Greek islands are home to thousands of migrants and many are being moved to temporary housing and heated tents. Snow covers tents on the Greek island of Lesbos, 7 January 2017Image copyrightEPA Image caption A migrant camp on the Greek island of Lesbos was not spared the snow Homeless hostels in Italy are opening their doors day and night as the weather was blamed for the deaths of seven people, five of them living out in the open. Read more Hundreds of cyclists brave Moscow cold US swim team swaps pool for snow Airports in Sicily, Bari and Brindisi closed on Saturday. Rome, too, saw freezing temperatures. Russia has experienced its coldest Orthodox Christmas in 120 years. Tourists in Red Square, Moscow, 7 January 2017Image copyrightEPA Image caption A visit to Moscow’s Red Square required wrapping up extra warm as these tourists found Prague has had the coldest night so far this winter, Czech officials say, with three deaths reported, two of them homeless people. Reports from Bulgaria say two Iraqi migrants were found dead in a forest in the southeast of the country. The cold weather was expected to continue in much of Europe over the weekend. An ice-carver in the Polish capital, Warsaw, 7 January 2017Image copyrightAP Image caption Ice-carving in Poland where temperatures have fallen to minus 14C Share this story About sharing Email Facebook Messenger Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn More on this story Hundreds of cyclists brave Moscow cold 7 hours ago Europe Theresa May UK cannot hold on to bits of EU - PM May 8 January 2017 From the section UK Politics Full article UK cannot hold on to bits of EU - PM May Voting in French centre-right primary, 27 November France thwarts 24,000 cyber-attacks 8 January 2017 From the section Europe Full article France thwarts 24,000 cyber-attacks Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin Trump blasts anti-Russian ‘fools’ 7 January 2017 From the section US & Canada Full article Trump blasts anti-Russian ‘fools’ More Videos from the BBC Freezing Europe Freezing Europe Saudi Arabian video on women’s rights goes viral Saudi Arabian video on women’s rights goes viral British woman ‘sex slave for 13 years’ British woman ‘sex slave for 13 years’ It’s very cold in Europe It’s very cold in Europe 

9 days ago

I wonder if Ibotta who started this thread and only made one post knows that we are working on 9000 reads?…
Care to contribute anything Ibot?..lol….

9 days ago

fishnski wrote:

 

Sorry for the Spruceless cold hills remark Campster, PA is an extremely scenic and homey place….

Oh I’m well aware of the skiing limitations of the Great Valley. But it’s a lot better than where I used to live. Ripped hours of cold man-made today. 985 feet at a time

SCIENCE IS THE BELIEF IN THE IGNORANCE OF THE EXPERTS….or thier agenda….
….

I thought science was all about experimentation and peer review. Have I been duped again by those damn experts and their corporations?

9 days ago

JohnL wrote:

With the exception of rare years like last year, there seems to be at least a three week period where winter sneaks up on you. Remember skiing TLine with Denis and me and TimR about a decade ago? It was winter then (early March IIRC), but the first half of that year was rough. 

Oh yeah for sure. Just complaining because I actually scheduled a family ski trip well in advance (rare for me) and the weather looks like it will not be cooperating. We will ski whatever is available and have a good time. And I fully expect a powder day or three in the second half of the season.

9 days ago

camp wrote:

fishnski wrote:

 

Sorry for the Spruceless cold hills remark Campster, PA is an extremely scenic and homey place….

Oh I’m well aware of the skiing limitations of the Great Valley. But it’s a lot better than where I used to live. Ripped hours of cold man-made today. 985 feet at a time

SCIENCE IS THE BELIEF IN THE IGNORANCE OF THE EXPERTS….or thier agenda….
….

I thought science was all about experimentation and peer review. Have I been duped again by those damn experts and their corporations?

Science has been corrupted like everything else….this whole world we live in is influenced by whoevers agenda…
Did you ever read about Climategate?…Hacked emails of govt and Govt funded scientist collaberating on a GW sratergy?
Bottom line today…Northern Hem snow above ave
                             Arctic Ice a little below average..
                             world temp is whoever you listen to…
                             ill concede 1 degree….Capped..   
                             Reason for 1 degree?…split…
                            comfort factor for 1 degree rise…excellent..
                           Sking cond for mid Atlantic….1 snow flake shy of a full slope..
                           Bitch factor at Dcski…2 maybe 3 folks,,untill further notice…
                           prognosis for future Gw banter with new prez….minamal….thx God…
 

9 days ago

fishnski wrote:

 

                           prognosis for future Gw banter with new prez….minamal….thx God…
 

Nuclear Winter!  What kind of wax do you recommend for that eh??

9 days ago

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science. Camp is partially correct, science is about hypothesis, experiment and results conclusion. Peer review, less so. Scientists have been proven to be succeptible to group think and biases as any others and a lot less gets peer reviewed in detail than you’d think. Scientists need to stay out of politics, especially in making conclusions on subjects outside their expertise. But politicians need to stay out of science. 

Tough thing about Global Warming is that it somewhat subtle. Climate is different from weather, and we all have opinions about weather. And the world’s climate is a complex system, subject to many complex interactions. (I personally believe man-made GW exists, the extent is still TBD.)

So given some of the subtlety, I don’t think much can be concluded about any particular winter, but I understand why skiers are paying attention.

9 days ago

crgildart wrote:

fishnski wrote:

 

                           prognosis for future Gw banter with new prez….minamal….thx God…
 

Nuclear Winter!  What kind of wax do you recommend for that eh??

LOL. The kind you can eat. Better buy a lot.

9 days ago

JohnL wrote:

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science.

Having an M.S in Physics just makes you a nerd… 

9 days ago

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science.

Having an M.S in Physics just makes you a nerd… 

But you knew that….

9 days ago

JohnL wrote:

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science.

Having an M.S in Physics just makes you a nerd… 

But you knew that….

At least I don’t cut people for a living. ;)

9 days ago

JohnL wrote:

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science.

Having an M.S in Physics just makes you a nerd… 

But you knew that….

Long before I knew you had a physics degree. 

9 days ago

JohnL wrote:

JohnL wrote:

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science.

Having an M.S in Physics just makes you a nerd… 

But you knew that….

At least I don’t cut people for a living. ;)

Me either. You think I’m some kind of surgeon/barbarian? Please…

9 days ago

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

JohnL wrote:

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science.

Having an M.S in Physics just makes you a nerd… 

But you knew that….

At least I don’t cut people for a living. ;)

Me either. You think I’m some kind of surgeon/barbarian? Please…

So you just have the leeches do it for you? Got it.

9 days ago

JohnL wrote:

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

JohnL wrote:

David wrote:

JohnL wrote:

Having an M.S. in Physics, I am not totally unaware of science.

Having an M.S in Physics just makes you a nerd… 

But you knew that….

At least I don’t cut people for a living. ;)

Me either. You think I’m some kind of surgeon/barbarian? Please…

So you just have the leeches do it for you? Got it.

You guys are too funny. Guess you never know where these weather threads will lead.

8 days ago

It’s a pretty good leading indicator that we DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ACTUAL SKIING when we the most active thing we have is a have a sucky weather thread dominated by nerdosity and climate change.   Damn.  I want to see some photos from the cherry bowl and the pipeline, powder in the meadows and whales on the drop.   It’s almost MLK and this sucks.  

 

edit: oh yeah, I have degrees in both physics and statistics and my skiing still sucks.  

 

 

8 days ago

It’s not the Cherry Bowl but I thought this pic came out sorta cool.  It was down right cold as a well diggers ass in Alaska this weekend at Snowshoe.


 

8 days ago

pagamony wrote:

It’s a pretty good leading indicator that we DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ACTUAL SKIING when we the most active thing we have is a have a sucky weather thread dominated by nerdosity and climate change.   Damn.  I want to see some photos from the cherry bowl and the pipeline, powder in the meadows and whales on the drop.   It’s almost MLK and this sucks.  

 

edit: oh yeah, I have degrees in both physics and statistics and my skiing still sucks.  

 

 

Actually, I’ve had a great season so far. 16 days at 13 areas - and none yet at T-Line. Go figure. Pow days in CO and VT. Wuz out sick with head cold yesterday. But I had a blast skiing Bold Decision at Whitetail on Sat. Transitioned from mm pow to bumps as the  day progressed. 

And two Utah trips, a trip to Whistler/Blackcomb, ABay in May, and maybe one more VT trip all to come. And The Valley won’t suck all year. And LM will be rocked by me at least once. And maybe Plattekill - I love that place. Overall, I’m digging this ski year, some things happening to be sucking right now.

8 days ago

pagamony wrote:

It’s a pretty good leading indicator that we DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ACTUAL SKIING when we the most active thing we have is a have a sucky weather thread dominated by nerdosity and climate change.   Damn.  I want to see some photos from the cherry bowl and the pipeline, powder in the meadows and whales on the drop.   It’s almost MLK and this sucks.  

 

edit: oh yeah, I have degrees in both physics and statistics and my skiing still sucks.  

Super NERD FTW!!! 

7 days ago

JohnL wrote:

 And maybe Plattekill - I love that place.

DCSki roadtrip?

7 days ago

I am currently in beaver creek wishing it would stop snowing. My wife and I had to check out of our hotel, but we have no way to get back to Denver because an avalanche covered Vail pass last night. Then this morning they did a controlled avalanche at the Eisenhower tunnel. It released a slide that covered I-70 with 10 ft of snow. I fly out tomorrow morning at 10 from Denver. Wish me luck. 

In case anyone wondered, the skiing was fantastic. Lots of powder not much of a crowd. 

7 days ago

Wow!

7 days ago

crested butte, monarch, and abasin all shut down by avalanche concerns, mostly on the roads i believe.  35” of very wet heavy snow.  more wow.

6 days ago

AndyGene wrote:

I am currently in beaver creek wishing it would stop snowing. My wife and I had to check out of our hotel, but we have no way to get back to Denver because an avalanche covered Vail pass last night. Then this morning they did a controlled avalanche at the Eisenhower tunnel. It released a slide that covered I-70 with 10 ft of snow. I fly out tomorrow morning at 10 from Denver. Wish me luck. 

In case anyone wondered, the skiing was fantastic. Lots of powder not much of a crowd. 

I’ve changed to flying in/out of Vail Eagle instead of Denver because of situations similar to this happen on I-70 all too often.  Flights are a little pricier, but that can easily be offset by taking the eagle county bus (~$5) to Vail/BC and saving cost of rental car, parking, etc. 

6 days ago

Bonzski wrote:

AndyGene wrote:

I am currently in beaver creek wishing it would stop snowing. My wife and I had to check out of our hotel, but we have no way to get back to Denver because an avalanche covered Vail pass last night. Then this morning they did a controlled avalanche at the Eisenhower tunnel. It released a slide that covered I-70 with 10 ft of snow. I fly out tomorrow morning at 10 from Denver. Wish me luck. 

In case anyone wondered, the skiing was fantastic. Lots of powder not much of a crowd. 

I’ve changed to flying in/out of Vail Eagle instead of Denver because of situations similar to this happen on I-70 all too often.  Flights are a little pricier, but that can easily be offset by taking the eagle county bus (~$5) to Vail/BC and saving cost of rental car, parking, etc. 

We made it. Sitting on the plane now. It was not a fun drive.  I think the average speed between Vail and Georgetown was 25 mph. 

I would have flown to Vail, but it was a free trip on southwest. 

6 days ago

Tahoe area resorts have so much snow they need another day to dig the lifts and facilities out to get open again.  They did open Tuesday for a couple hours but had to shut down again.  Think of all the pent up demand there with mediocre conditions Nov and Dec then suddenly this but too much to keep manageable.  When they finally get terrain open again it will be……Crazyness!

6 days ago
The latest pow alert from Mammoth…. 2017 is off to an awesome start – we’ve been hit with a series of super storms, dropping 113–200” in only 8 days. Here’s to a sweet, long season ahead.
6 days ago

Bonzski wrote:

The latest pow alert from Mammoth…. 2017 is off to an awesome start – we’ve been hit with a series of super storms, dropping 113–200” in only 8 days. Here’s to a sweet, long season ahead.

Can we hate them?  Or just be extremely jelly?

5 days ago

And here I am nervously monitoring the trail count and base depth at Snowshoe

5 days ago

wgo wrote:

And here I am nervously monitoring the trail count and base depth at Snowshoe

Similar here.  Heading to Banner Ellk/Boone area.  Happy Appy has solid base most trails. They are a definite.  Wondering if Sugar will have enough moderate/easy blue terrain besides something that requires the switchback icy bottleneck to get to.  Big Birch would be great for what my daughter needs to ski, everything at Appalachian is doable for her.  Not much at Sugar in the blue range is within reach for her right now though if Big Birch doesn’t survive the heat miser attack this weekend before we get there Monday.

5 days ago

crgildart wrote:

wgo wrote:

And here I am nervously monitoring the trail count and base depth at Snowshoe

Similar here.  Heading to Banner Ellk/Boone area.  Happy Appy has solid base most trails. They are a definite.  Wondering if Sugar will have enough moderate/easy blue terrain besides something that requires the switchback icy bottleneck to get to.  Big Birch would be great for what my daughter needs to ski, everything at Appalachian is doable for her.  Not much at Sugar in the blue range is within reach for her right now though if Big Birch doesn’t survive the heat miser attack this weekend before we get there Monday.

At least you are only a few days out. We are still 10 days out from the trip to Snowshoe.

5 days ago

wgo wrote:

At least you are only a few days out. We are still 10 days out from the trip to Snowshoe.

7 days for me.  We have a group of 20ish going to SS for my buddies B Day weekend.

This REALLY SUCKS.  I live in NE OH between PIT and CLE.  It’s currently 62* and we just had a T storm roll thru with torential down pours.

 

5 days ago

Our biggest trip is Feb 23rd-27th.  House is paid for.  If neither TL4S nor CV has terrain open we will bring fishing gear.

5 days ago
Winter returns January 25th according to pretty consistent model runs for 2 days now…lets hope it sneaks back earlier…
4 days ago

I’m headed toward that blue area late month, hope this holds

 

4 days ago

That is about as bipolar as it gets, just amazing.  I notice the prime Eastern ski areas are all in the range most likely to be above, which is just cruelty.

4 days ago

pagamony wrote:

That is about as bipolar as it gets, just amazing.  ..

I know. I’m hoping Fish has some alternative non-govt data models that flips this scenario. although the above does set up well for my first western trip since parenthood in a couple weeks. The rest of the season on this NOAA site isnt any better. Off to burn the legs on the local now…..ho hum

 

4 days ago

The govt data you posted Camp shows the 5 day average ending on the 26th…like I posted earlier…pretty consistent data is showing a return to winter for the east on or about the 25th of Jan..which will show up on the following 5 day anomaly outlook…

Dont like to look out too much further in time than 10 days but when you see run after run on the longer range GFS showing the cold air over the west sweeping east by the 25th with a quick 1 day shot on the 18th..ya kinda of take notice…
The Euro model this aft should give an idea if it is following suit……

if this fcast holds it looks like the east wont rob the west this time so out westers shouldnt worry too much….
And one more point…the expanse of cold looks too large for a quick hit and gone barrage…hoping this is the great weather news start to the 2nd half season….think positive and keep ur Ski poles crossed….

Ok…back to the whining…

4 days ago

models still showing end of jan cold snap….here is the Euro long range bet for early feb….

4 days ago

fishnski wrote:

models still showing end of jan cold snap….here is the Euro long range bet for early feb….
 

Woohoo, thanks man. Was hoping you’d find some non-govt data showing us what we want to see. That is just what we need. Mid-Feb has been really consistent the past several winters. Hope it holds again. Got some more Spring skiing in today, happy carves.

 

4 days ago
Ok…all bets are off now…you just Jinxed everything…u cant be positive and be in the Smurf Camp…thats messed up…
3 days ago

As ususal NC didn’t make Fish’s cut.  Don’t tell him I’m headed to WV in February..

16 hours ago

Looking at the web cams at many of the ski resorts (even 7 Springs and Snowshoe) it’s really drepressing seeing such awful snow conditions all throughout the region.   Such thin coverage on so many of the trails and the warm conditions/fog/humidity is making them worse each day.    Looks like it will be at least another 10 days at a minimum until most places can make snow again for any duration (and that isn’t even a sure bet).    Temperatures in the 50s and rain Friday and again later in the weekend are going to make for another awful weekend at local ski resorts.  

15 hours ago

Go, make the best of it, be positive and enjoy!

15 hours ago

The Colonel wrote:

Go, make the best of it, be positive and enjoy!

+1  

Woody

13 hours ago

The Colonel wrote:

Go, make the best of it, be positive and enjoy!

Did that yesterday.  Thank ULLR that they blew all they could last cold snap.  This run isn’t usually open before late December.  it was a slushfest but still hella fun until my boots were soggy.. Only noticed one minor scratch on the bases of my NEW skis after this session..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fPPN6dHIiM

 

 

 

11 hours ago

The Colonel wrote:

Go, make the best of it, be positive and enjoy!

OK!  Family and I skied Massanutten on Sunday. Snow was soft but never slushy. Little mini-moguls/piles of snow sprouting up all over the place, lots of fun. Met up with MarzNC and we skied a few runs together. Apres beer at the new slopeside bar was a good way to end a good day.

10 hours ago

pagamony wrote:

kemper - unfortunately.  no hucking the quarry.  no winding access road.  get out your rock skis (aka mountain bike).   I got a thin crunchy cover on the yard.  global warming shifted the freezing line to the north too late.  …. one day…

Pagamony, I can’t figure out picture posting so you will have to take my word, but finally I skiied Ocaneechee, highest point in Orange county.  It was thin and rocky but those are the most beautifully spaced low angle trees imaginable

 

A little bit of good weather news

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